USS Nimitz loses 2 aircraft in less than an hour.

[Trevatanus]

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

[borcy]

They've lost a few this year. Operating aircraft is a risky business at times.

[98elise]

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

[Trevatanus]

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

No idea, but I know nothing about EW, but if they had been taken out using this method, the yanks are not going to admit it are they?

[ScotHill]

Interestingly, it was the crew of the USS Nimitz that a 19-year old girl dressed in her little sister's Brown Bird uniform sold two thousand boxes of cookies to.

[Dave.]

ScotHill said:

Interestingly, it was the crew of the USS Nimitz that a 19-year old girl dressed in her little sister's Brown Bird uniform sold two thousand boxes of cookies to.

Epic referencing!

[eharding]

Trevatanus said:

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

No idea, but I know nothing about EW, but if they had been taken out using this method, the yanks are not going to admit it are they?

Rather than going full tinfoil headgear, it might be worth considering more likely common factors if the incidents are linked - for example, were both aircraft refuelled from the same bowser, or had the hydraulic fluids refreshed from the same batch?

This isn't even close to the number of aircraft lost from a US carrier in one day. The Forrestal lost 21 aircraft destroyed plus several dozen badly damaged in one day in 1967, without a hint of enemy action but as a result of an uncommanded weapon firing on deck.

[RizzoTheRat]

eharding said:

Rather than going full tinfoil headgear, it might be worth considering more likely common factors if the incidents are linked - for example, were both aircraft refuelled from the same bowser, or had the hydraulic fluids refreshed from the same batch?

This isn't even close to the number of aircraft lost from a US carrier in one day. The Forrestal lost 21 aircraft destroyed plus several dozen badly damaged in one day in 1967, without a hint of enemy action but as a result of an uncommanded weapon firing on deck.

The Alaskan F35 crash a while back was traced to contaminated hydraulic oil wasn't it? So definitely possible but you'd hope they've changed their procedures to ensure that doesn't happen again.

A bit different to the USS Forrestal, that was one incident leading to multiple losses, and a good example of lessons learned, they lost all their damage control teams in a secondary explosion which meant it took a long time to contain. They later brought in mandatory fire training for all crew, as well as new munitions designed to be insensitive to fire/shock/etc.

[nikaiyo2]

98elise said:

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

Didn't the RAF loose a Tornado due to electronic/ radar interference type situation in GW 1?

[98elise]

Trevatanus said:

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

No idea, but I know nothing about EW, but if they had been taken out using this method, the yanks are not going to admit it are they?

If the Chinese had taken down 2 US military aircraft they would very be very vocal about it no matter what method. Why would they be less vocal if it was a directed energy weapon? It would be a declaration of war, not something to be swept under the carpet.

[98elise]

eharding said:

Trevatanus said:

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

No idea, but I know nothing about EW, but if they had been taken out using this method, the yanks are not going to admit it are they?

Rather than going full tinfoil headgear, it might be worth considering more likely common factors if the incidents are linked - for example, were both aircraft refuelled from the same bowser, or had the hydraulic fluids refreshed from the same batch?

This isn't even close to the number of aircraft lost from a US carrier in one day. The Forrestal lost 21 aircraft destroyed plus several dozen badly damaged in one day in 1967, without a hint of enemy action but as a result of an uncommanded weapon firing on deck.

Agreed. Far more likely to be a common problem to both, or even just coincidence.

[LunarOne]

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

No idea, but I know nothing about EW, but if they had been taken out using this method, the yanks are not going to admit it are they?

If the Chinese had taken down 2 US military aircraft they would very be very vocal about it no matter what method. Why would they be less vocal if it was a directed energy weapon? It would be a declaration of war, not something to be swept under the carpet.

The Chinese would not be very vocal about it. Theire economy depends on being seen as a friend to everyone, and they are always trying to downplay any idea they they are a threat to any nation or individual.

In practical terms, given the ubiquity of relatively cheap Chinese drones, I think it's technically feasible for them to be used in an attack. It wouldn't take more than a few drones to position themselves so that they could be ingested into the engines of a carrier-based fighter upon takeoff or landing. They could then claim that the drones were being flown by individual bad actors or even pass it off as an accident.

[Simpo Two]

I'm going for Answer B: Chance.

[eldar]

Simpo Two said:

I'm going for Answer B: Chance.

I think C: is a great contender, Cock Up.

[ATG]

LunarOne said:

The Chinese would not be very vocal about it. Theire economy depends on being seen as a friend to everyone, and they are always trying to downplay any idea they they are a threat to any nation or individual.

In practical terms, given the ubiquity of relatively cheap Chinese drones, I think it's technically feasible for them to be used in an attack. It wouldn't take more than a few drones to position themselves so that they could be ingested into the engines of a carrier-based fighter upon takeoff or landing. They could then claim that the drones were being flown by individual bad actors or even pass it off as an accident.

The Americans would be vocal ...

[LunarOne]

ATG said:

The Americans would be vocal ...

I don't think the Americans would want to admit having had aircraft destroyed by a force as supposedly inferior as the Chinese!

[98elise]

LunarOne said:

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

98elise said:

Trevatanus said:

USS Nimitz was on routine ops in the South China Sea yesterday when they lost an MH60-R and then an F/A18F, 30 minutes later. All crew safe thankfully, but that s one hell of a co-incidence, or have we just seen the Chinese take down two American aircraft via electronic warfare maybe?
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/carrier-loses-two-...

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

No idea, but I know nothing about EW, but if they had been taken out using this method, the yanks are not going to admit it are they?

If the Chinese had taken down 2 US military aircraft they would very be very vocal about it no matter what method. Why would they be less vocal if it was a directed energy weapon? It would be a declaration of war, not something to be swept under the carpet.

The Chinese would not be very vocal about it. Theire economy depends on being seen as a friend to everyone, and they are always trying to downplay any idea they they are a threat to any nation or individual.

In practical terms, given the ubiquity of relatively cheap Chinese drones, I think it's technically feasible for them to be used in an attack. It wouldn't take more than a few drones to position themselves so that they could be ingested into the engines of a carrier-based fighter upon takeoff or landing. They could then claim that the drones were being flown by individual bad actors or even pass it off as an accident.

The suggestion was the Yanks wouldn't admit it. If someone took out two of their aircraft. I think they would be very vocal.

How would those drones get to the aircraft carrier undetected? One of the downed planes is a super hornet so it would have to a bloody fast cheap chinese drone

[Byker28i]

nikaiyo2 said:

98elise said:

What EW can take down an aircraft? Even if it could it would be easily detected so wouldn't be some sort of stealth attack.

Didn't the RAF loose a Tornado due to electronic/ radar interference type situation in GW 1?

We lost 8 tornados in GW1, mostly shot down, one of course by the Americans and a Patriot system in GW2, despite having IFF4 broadcasting
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/31/militar...

[98elise]

LunarOne said:

ATG said:

The Americans would be vocal ...

I don't think the Americans would want to admit having had aircraft destroyed by a force as supposedly inferior as the Chinese!

They've lost plenty of aircraft in past conflicts/operations against inferior forces.

[Inbox]

Wow, $100M in the drink. Glad the crews were rescued okay.

Either the same wingnut worked on both aircraft or something funny is going on.