Madness To Daily a 996?
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We already have a 986 Boxster (not a real Porsche apparently). I massively prefer driving it to out Cupra Born (lease car)
I normally lease cars through my Ltd Co, spend about £10-12k over 2 years, so over 4 years heading towards £25k for something I never actually own.
I lease as I see no point in owning a depreciating asset.........however.
996 values must be bottoming out (especially nice ones), so they appear to be a cheap proposition.
Some basic man maths tells me that after 4 years, the 996 would basically be free (other than repairs/maintenance)
So would it be utter madness to daily something like this (we do about 6k miles a year) https://www.manorgaragebox.co.uk/used/porsche/911-...
I normally lease cars through my Ltd Co, spend about £10-12k over 2 years, so over 4 years heading towards £25k for something I never actually own.
I lease as I see no point in owning a depreciating asset.........however.
996 values must be bottoming out (especially nice ones), so they appear to be a cheap proposition.
Some basic man maths tells me that after 4 years, the 996 would basically be free (other than repairs/maintenance)
So would it be utter madness to daily something like this (we do about 6k miles a year) https://www.manorgaragebox.co.uk/used/porsche/911-...
Edited by CallMeLegend on Wednesday 29th October 10:48
Edited by CallMeLegend on Wednesday 29th October 10:51
said:
You're a long time dead.
Was having this conversation with SWMBO the other day.Time is rattling buy. In the blink of an eye I've gone from 50 to 53, and it scares me how fast time is moving on. There's a strong chance 20-25years is all I've got left.
Edited by CallMeLegend on Wednesday 29th October 11:25
CallMeLegend said:
chris-e said:
I have daily'd a 996 on and off for 15 years, 140,000 miles. Usual service and maintenance every year and its a joy.
That's my thinking, buy a lowish mileage one & even if I put 102k miles on it over 15years or so, there's still some value in it (granted not much)https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Jhonno said:
CallMeLegend said:
chris-e said:
I have daily'd a 996 on and off for 15 years, 140,000 miles. Usual service and maintenance every year and its a joy.
That's my thinking, buy a lowish mileage one & even if I put 102k miles on it over 15years or so, there's still some value in it (granted not much)https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Well, it depends. The two things to consider:
-it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk.
-your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.
-it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk.
-your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.
Hoofy said:
Well, it depends. The two things to consider:
-it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk.
-your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.
It's a 20yr old car, and can be maintained easy enough. Other cars are susceptible to bush/suspension wear also.-it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk.
-your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.
I honestly would say that is your own issue there.. Driving in London is s
t and tiring in any car. I probably find my 996 less tiring to drive than my E46 330i. In fact I've done 8hrs seat time in 1 day in it and been no more tired than I would have been in any other car I've owned. Jhonno said:
Hoofy said:
Well, it depends. The two things to consider:
-it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk.
-your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.
It's a 20yr old car, and can be maintained easy enough. Other cars are susceptible to bush/suspension wear also.-it's a 20 year old car so needs keeping in good order. Things like suspension and related bushes are knackered. It also costs more to run in general than an EV I am guessing. I'm assuming the IMS and RMS are accounted for according to your own research, luck and understanding of probability and risk.
-your own desire for comfort and ease. I am about to drive an hour through light to moderate traffic including rush hour traffic in a tiptronic Turbo in suburban and moderately fast roads, and tbh I really can't be arsed. I'll be knackered when I get back and still have work to do. It's fine on a weekend drive, though, in fact good fun. 20 years ago, I used to commute daily through stop-start London traffic in a road-going drag Skyline R32 GTR with a triple plate clutch and a dustbin lid single turbo. It was very much the wrong car to drive in traffic but once you hit the A3 dual carriageway... Thing is, I couldn't even be arsed to drive that on a weekend now.
I honestly would say that is your own issue there.. Driving in London is s
t and tiring in any car. I probably find my 996 less tiring to drive than my E46 330i. In fact I've done 8hrs seat time in 1 day in it and been no more tired than I would have been in any other car I've owned. 2) Maybe, it's something I'm highlighting as an issue to consider. I'm not the only one who drives in London... or it'd be fine.
Also, my 20 year old TT is far nicer to drive in traffic than my Turbo. It feels more fun than a Golf. But also if you read carefully, I'm NOT driving my Turbo in London traffic any more. I was doing that kind of driving with my Skyline 20 years ago. Which is what I wrote already!I use my 996 C4S manual frequently - not quite daily - and live in Zone 2 London.
Fun fact; it is easier to daily than my previous 997.2 C2 manual (lighter clutch action) and 996 Turbo manual (better throttle response).
The running costs of these cars can be spectacular. On the face of it, non-Turbo/GT cars are a £20K car according to Autotrader and the like, but they're actually closer to the £30K mark if you're buying a "sorted" one or buying a £20K one and spending £10K getting it up to standard.
These numbers assume the car does not require an engine rebuild due to IMS failure and/or cyclinder scoring of which some do.
Best way to own one is to set aside £40K as you would have to do for many other used 911s, buy one for £20K, and earn interest on the warchest. If you get in an out without touching the warchest, you've done well.
Fun fact; it is easier to daily than my previous 997.2 C2 manual (lighter clutch action) and 996 Turbo manual (better throttle response).
The running costs of these cars can be spectacular. On the face of it, non-Turbo/GT cars are a £20K car according to Autotrader and the like, but they're actually closer to the £30K mark if you're buying a "sorted" one or buying a £20K one and spending £10K getting it up to standard.
These numbers assume the car does not require an engine rebuild due to IMS failure and/or cyclinder scoring of which some do.
Best way to own one is to set aside £40K as you would have to do for many other used 911s, buy one for £20K, and earn interest on the warchest. If you get in an out without touching the warchest, you've done well.
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