Pointless observation; Where British F1 drivers come from.
Pointless observation; Where British F1 drivers come from.
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StevieBee

Original Poster:

14,492 posts

274 months

I fully concede this thread serves no purpose other than curiosity but such is the product of a solo overnight trip for work!

I was watching something on You Tube about some old F1 race and the commentator mentioned "Roy Salvadori from Essex" - I never knew that. Came from Colchester. That led me on a bit of a rabbit hole and have determined that the counties of Essex and Surrey have generated a disproportionate number of British F1 drivers.

Essex has given us 10:

Ollie Bearman
Johnny Herbert
Perry McCarthy
Jackie Oliver
Rupert Keegan
Richard Robarts
Roy Salvadori
Will Stevens
Piers Courage
Peter Arundell

Surrey has provided five:

Max Chilton
Peter Gethin
Mike Spence
John Surtees
Jack Fairman

I know that the place where someone is born is pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things but nonetheless, I'm wondering what it is about Essex and Surrey that might explain this. Neither has a race circuit (well, there was Brooklands, sort of in Surrey and Boreham was used as a circuit for a few years post WW2). Ford was of course a dominant force in Essex. Despite the best efforts of Basildon and Harlow, Essex, like Surrey has a great deal of wealth - but not any more or less than Kent, or Berkshire.... etc.

Given the motor industry grew and remains centred around the midlands, and from which Motor Sport Valley emerged along the A40, its surprising so few drivers have come from there.

So, what's the question? I don't know there is one. But I guess we could ask why Suffolk, Cornwall and others lack a F1 driver amongst their great and good.


Gary29

4,665 posts

118 months

Affluent areas of the country?

bergclimber34

1,987 posts

12 months

How do you explain Stewart, Clarkson, Coulthard, you could add Franchitti, Di Resta, all Scots, some from wealthy families but not all.

Wills2

27,220 posts

194 months


Lewis came from the slums of Hertfordshire.


WPA

12,652 posts

133 months

Lando Norris - Bristol

Martin Brundle and George Russell - King's Lynn, Norfolk

Jenson Button - Frome

......

6,570 posts

168 months

According to Wikipedia, the UK has had 163 F1 drivers, so 10 from one county sounds feasible.

moffspeed

3,221 posts

226 months

Cornwall has been represented !

Chris Craft was born in Porthleven. Super quick in tin tops and sports cars but he made just a sole GP start at the US GP at Watkins Glen in 1971.

His privateer Brabham BT33 ran at the back & ultimately retired. The car was chopped up and was resurrected as the Duckhams Special at Le Mans the following year. Craft & Alain de Cadenet had the car up to 4th at one stage in the race.

Mammasaid

5,050 posts

116 months

Cliff Allison, Cumbria's only GP driver. He set up and ran Grand Prix Coaches in the village until recently.

shirt

24,747 posts

220 months

Affluence and access at a guess.

I wouldn’t discount the importance of Brooklands. Motorsport fanned out from there and I would say the importance of the clubs (such as Brooklands Auto Racing Club) would have more to do with allowing drivers to access and race in the early days.

Post war, club racing moved to ex airfields, the majority of which were also around the Home Counties.

If you were to look at f1 drivers up to 1980 and post 1980 I would imagine there is a much wider geographical scattering in the second group.

WPA

12,652 posts

133 months

Tom Pryce was from Ruthin in Denbighshire, Wales

shirt

24,747 posts

220 months

...... said:
According to Wikipedia, the UK has had 163 F1 drivers, so 10 from one county sounds feasible.
I didn’t know Mike Hawthorn was a Yorkshireman, every day’s a school day.

LastPoster

3,081 posts

202 months

You can add the type of motorsport that people are exposed to at a young age.

Countless Welsh, Scottish and North of England Rally champions, the heartlands of that sport

Richard Burns very much the outlier at the very top tier

(Yes, Mark Lovell, Tony Pond as well etc etc)

thegreenhell

20,631 posts

238 months

Suffolk can claim Bernie Ecclestone and Andy Sutcliffe. Both entered F1 races but failed to qualify.

Unrepresented English counties include:

Cambridgeshire
Devon
Dorset
East Sussex
Isle of Wight
Merseyside
Northumberland
Rutland
Shropshire
Tyne and Wear
Wiltshire

Drew106

1,617 posts

164 months

Eddie Irvine, Co. Down

snotrag

15,318 posts

230 months

Its money.

You can sugar coat it many ways, and there are of course exceptions, but its money.

Britains best footballers come from all 4 corners, the estates and boroughs all over. Because football is cheap.

Motor racing is expensive, and thus the drivers only come from places where people can afford it.

pteron

297 posts

190 months

It does appear that there s a genetic component to being an F1 driver

bergclimber34

1,987 posts

12 months

Stevenage is many things, but it really isn't a slum.

Drew106

1,617 posts

164 months

pteron said:
It does appear that there s a genetic component to being an F1 driver
Like a genetic component to being wealthy...?

moffspeed

3,221 posts

226 months

Not F1 but county-related.

BMW ran a County Championship in 1980 for a field of TWR prepared 323is.

Martin Brundle won the championship in (appropriately) the Norfolk car. Kent was represented by Nick (brother of Charlie) Whiting - fair enough. However the 2nd Kent batsman was Brian Muir which stretched the geographical imagination somewhat…


Supersam83

1,467 posts

164 months

Only 1 from Leicestershire:

John Taylor who made 5 F1 entries from 1964-1966 and scored 1 point.

Jamie Green is one that didn't make it to F1 but did ok in DTM.