AI 'music'

[DodgyGeezer]

I know that there's a lot of debate (to put it mildly!!) about the role of AI in both modifying music and actually churning out plagiarised/copied versions of music from artists - and truth be told I'm not sure how I feel about that...

The moral/ethical issues aside, I have to admit that I really do like this:

[cherryowen]

I watched a Rick Beato vid a few months ago where he used suno.com to demonstrate AI music composition, and it was fascinating.

A couple of weeks before I watched it, I'd been noodling on the guitar and came up with a nice chord progression. So, I loaded suno.com and told it to create a "jazz" tune using the chords A minor, E minor (A in bass), A minor, E minor (A in bass), F 6/9, B diminished, A minor, E.

In about 30 seconds, it had produced lyrics, horn and string accompaniments, and drums, to make a perfect smokey tune that would not be out of place in Ronnie Scott's.

Astonishing.

[Simes205]

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Terminator X]

I won't listen to it as a point of principle. Real artists must be pretty fking hacked off.

TX.

[paul.deitch]

Absolutely.

[GetCarter]

Terminator X said:

I won't listen to it as a point of principle. Real artists must be pretty fking hacked off.

TX.

Been a pro composer for 40 years (production music for TV/film). My job has pretty much disappeared. Feel really sorry for those younger than me, who will have to find a new occupation. I'm retiring!

[MCBrowncoat]

Terminator X said:

I won't listen to it as a point of principle. Real artists must be pretty fking hacked off.

TX.

Absolutely this.

In my recs on YT a playlist came up not too long ago that I quickly realised was AI, and immediately shut it down to go to something real. There's a vast almost endless history of music to listen to, that you will never fully explore before you die

[Badda]

GetCarter said:

Been a pro composer for 40 years (production music for TV/film). My job has pretty much disappeared. Feel really sorry for those younger than me, who will have to find a new occupation. I'm retiring!

I had no idea it was impacting this industry so much, fascinating and very sad to hear.

[DodgyGeezer]

I guess the other issue is how on earth can you tell which are or are not AI-generated? Some are quite easy to tell others seem to have a 'tell' when several dozen tracks all land on youtube from an artist with no history or SM presence - so far so good but... can anyone make out if this is AI or not? Given the metric of not having a SM footprint it's possibly AI, but then given there're only 2 tracks rather than hours-worth of content just dumped. I'm lost (which, I guess, is why there is 'disquiet')

[the-norseman]

How long before bands/artists start using AI to generate new albums for them. If they aren't already.

[king arthur]

Terminator X said:

I won't listen to it as a point of principle. Real artists must be pretty fking hacked off.

TX.

Me neither. Music is one of the most human of activities, and is supposed to impart human emotions, feelings or at least some kind of poignant message. The best performances are those when the performer plays or sings as thought they are going through those emotions or feelings themselves. How can a computer possibly do this?

[Doppel99]

But sampling, drum machines etc all form part of modern music. There’s room for this surely. The issue is that without artists being compensated for the training data there’s a risk that it will make a career as a professional composer or musician unviable.

[Hoofy]

The only way to tell is when you just do not ever see the artist perform or at least demonstrate some kind of musical skill in a video whether it's a "day in the life of" vlog or just generally talking about their work or showing a few things on a keyboard/mandolin/didgeridoo/comb-tracing paper combo.

the-norseman said:

How long before bands/artists start using AI to generate new albums for them. If they aren't already.

That'll be the real issue. Then they see which songs do well and only invest time in performing those live. I understand that for artists, touring is where the real money is, not the 1p per album sold (or whatever)?

[Pixel Pusher]

This is not me. I just had this pop up in Spotify and dug deeper.




https://youtu.be/weJyH1zCNDc?si=7UGW7PxZmij7Y5vf

[GetCarter]

Pixel Pusher said:

This is not me. I just had this pop up in Spotify and dug deeper.




https://youtu.be/weJyH1zCNDc?si=7UGW7PxZmij7Y5vf

The fact that this clown thinks that people don't read anymore says all you need to know about him. The lunatics are running the asylum.

[franki68]

South Park on Lorde showed what was happening to music years ago

https://youtube.com/shorts/Y8iHpd22Pmk?si=jlq3l3bK...

[DodgyGeezer]

GetCarter said:

Pixel Pusher said:

This is not me. I just had this pop up in Spotify and dug deeper.




https://youtu.be/weJyH1zCNDc?si=7UGW7PxZmij7Y5vf

The fact that this clown thinks that people don't read anymore says all you need to know about him. The lunatics are running the asylum.

is he wrong though? People seem not to read anymore (and I don't just mean books/mags) and then complain that "...we weren't told XYZ..." then what they needed to know was in the damn title.

[Hoofy]

DodgyGeezer said:

GetCarter said:

Pixel Pusher said:

This is not me. I just had this pop up in Spotify and dug deeper.




https://youtu.be/weJyH1zCNDc?si=7UGW7PxZmij7Y5vf

The fact that this clown thinks that people don't read anymore says all you need to know about him. The lunatics are running the asylum.

is he wrong though? People seem not to read anymore (and I don't just mean books/mags) and then complain that "...we weren't told XYZ..." then what they needed to know was in the damn title.

Yep. If you've ever sold something on Facebook Marketplace, you'll know people don't bother reading.

"For sale: 2015 VW Golf 2.0 GTI, black, 99,523 miles, automatic. £4,500 ono. Located in Wimbledon."

"wot color is it"
"how much"
"is it manuel"
"wot yr"
"were r u"

(Note the lack of question mark and ability to spell, for authenticity.)

[Night Owl]

Terminator X said:

I won't listen to it as a point of principle. Real artists must be pretty fking hacked off.

TX.

In the end it is also theft. I watched the Beato video mentioned here quite some time ago, and it was easy to spot a few direct rip-offs in the country song he made.

How it's not ok for us to "pirate" music online, but just fine for our AI overlords to rip off whomever they want to create this slop is quite baffling.

Laws for thee but not for me.

[bigandclever]

GetCarter said:

Pixel Pusher said:

This is not me. I just had this pop up in Spotify and dug deeper.




https://youtu.be/weJyH1zCNDc?si=7UGW7PxZmij7Y5vf

The fact that this clown thinks that people don't read anymore says all you need to know about him. The lunatics are running the asylum.

You've sorted of proved his point by not reading what he wrote. He's saying people don't read any of the places where he says 'this is AI content' and then proclaim 'that's AI generated!!!' like they're some kind of lifting-the-veil genius.