What electric car (that is not a Tesla) has the best "Sentry

[Rouleau]

I'm on my second electric car now but thinking about switching to a new one...

[ZesPak]

afaik no-one does it except Tesla. There are a couple brands (BMW, Merc, BYD) where they can function as dash cams whilst driving (if you have the options ticked when buying), but I don't think any of them can use them whilst parked (aka "Sentry Mode").

[redstar1]

Chinese models will start to have it, if not this cycle then it won't be long. Don't think anything has come close to what Tesla does though, when it works as it should....

[ShortBeardy]

For what should be a relatively simple bit of software and given the bashing that Tesla for making crap, get it's remarkable that it isn't everywhere.

[LivLL]

Just get a decent dashcam and buy the car you want.

[Gone fishing]

I didn’t bother using it due to the relatively high energy consumption.

Surely it would have been quicker to google it rather than go to the trouble of making a new account on PH just to ask the question and probably not bother come back to read the answers.

[ZesPak]

LivLL said:

Just get a decent dashcam and buy the car you want.

It sounds great, but it's a bit stupid, isn't it?
You need one or two cameras, probably mounted inside that can cover a bit of the vehicle and you need them wired up for battery charging.
If only you could have 4 cameras installed that cover nearly all of the outside and run off the immense battery from the car directly.

[Evanivitch]

ZesPak said:

It sounds great, but it's a bit stupid, isn't it?
You need one or two cameras, probably mounted inside that can cover a bit of the vehicle and you need them wired up for battery charging.
If only you could have 4 cameras installed that cover nearly all of the outside and run off the immense battery from the car directly.

And yet... still have wingmirrors.

[ZesPak]

Evanivitch said:

And yet... still have wingmirrors.

Well, to that point:

• in the USA, they are not legal yet
• in most countries cameras for wing mirrors have been legal less than a decade
• it requires extra hardware (screens) inside

[P675]

Gone fishing said:

I didn t bother using it due to the relatively high energy consumption.

It's an odd feature, apparently the on board computer is running the whole time if you have it enabled which sucks all the power. I usually have it on all the time but let's say I park at an airport for a week, I would really like to have it on, but I'll come back to a low battery.

An aftermarket system might use less power but maybe this is why other manufacturers haven't gone for it.

[Gone fishing]

P675 said:

Gone fishing said:

I didn t bother using it due to the relatively high energy consumption.

It's an odd feature, apparently the on board computer is running the whole time if you have it enabled which sucks all the power. I usually have it on all the time but let's say I park at an airport for a week, I would really like to have it on, but I'll come back to a low battery.

An aftermarket system might use less power but maybe this is why other manufacturers haven't gone for it.

I put it down to agile development, minimum viable product, start to deploy before you’ve thought it all through mentality. The car doesn’t appear to have a low energy mode where only the minimum is left running for this, and on a related topic, the Tesla Vision system doesn’t know what’s happened around it while the car is turned off and ideally should for those out of sight things. It could have been really good, but for owners who appreciate how efficient their cars, summon undoes a lot of that benefit.

The OP is still nowhere to be seen, I suspect a troll post trying to big up Tesla by asking what the completion are doing. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck.. it’s usually a duck.

[Evanivitch]

ZesPak said:

Evanivitch said:

And yet... still have wingmirrors.

Well, to that point:

• in the USA, they are not legal yet
• in most countries cameras for wing mirrors have been legal less than a decade
• it requires extra hardware (screens) inside

From the company that removed indicator sticks, yoke steering wheels, glove box buttons etc etc removing the wing mirrors and replacing with 2 small interior screens buys into the simplicity and efficiency argument.

[ZesPak]

Or to that point, pointing out the glaring hole for standardized controls on a car that physical wing mirrors are mandatory but an indicator stalk isn't

[Evanivitch]

ZesPak said:

Or to that point, pointing out the glaring hole for standardized controls on a car that physical wing mirrors are mandatory but an indicator stalk isn't

Two wing mirrors aren't always mandated

[TheDeuce]

Evanivitch said:

ZesPak said:

Or to that point, pointing out the glaring hole for standardized controls on a car that physical wing mirrors are mandatory but an indicator stalk isn't

Two wing mirrors aren't always mandated

Are wing mirrors mandated at all? The Honda e just has cameras. Or does that count as a physical wing mirror?

[Krikkit]

ShortBeardy said:

For what should be a relatively simple bit of software and given the bashing that Tesla for making crap, get it's remarkable that it isn't everywhere.

I assume it's wrapped up in a minefield of patents that would be too expensive to bypass

[Evanivitch]

TheDeuce said:

Evanivitch said:

ZesPak said:

Or to that point, pointing out the glaring hole for standardized controls on a car that physical wing mirrors are mandatory but an indicator stalk isn't

Two wing mirrors aren't always mandated

Are wing mirrors mandated at all? The Honda e just has cameras. Or does that count as a physical wing mirror?

In UK/EU the cameras are legally wing mirrors.

[TheDeuce]

Evanivitch said:

TheDeuce said:

Evanivitch said:

ZesPak said:

Or to that point, pointing out the glaring hole for standardized controls on a car that physical wing mirrors are mandatory but an indicator stalk isn't

Two wing mirrors aren't always mandated

Are wing mirrors mandated at all? The Honda e just has cameras. Or does that count as a physical wing mirror?

In UK/EU the cameras are legally wing mirrors.

Thanks - makes sense.

I did a mini test drive of a Honda E around an obstacle course at a motor show and the cameras were pretty good actually. I'd have a car with the system quite happily.

[ZesPak]

TheDeuce said:

Are wing mirrors mandated at all? The Honda e just has cameras. Or does that count as a physical wing mirror?

I think for important markets, the US is the only place they aren't legal yet.
Most of them legalized it around ten years ago. Which again, in car design terms isn't all that long ago.
The EU did in 2016. UK usually follows, but they've only officially updated the Road Vehicles Regulations in 2024.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/1312/pdfs...

[Evanivitch]

ZesPak said:

I think for important markets, the US is the only place they aren't legal yet.
Most of them legalized it around ten years ago. Which again, in car design terms isn't all that long ago.
The EU did in 2016. UK usually follows, but they've only officially updated the Road Vehicles Regulations in 2024.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2024/1312/pdfs...

How come british registered cars and HGV have been using them for several years before that?