Chief Constable found guilty of contempt of court
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Surprised this isn't getting more coverage. Northampton Chief Constable found guilty of contempt of court by lying about and trying to cover up an unlawful arrest.
Anything less than a jail sentence would make a mockery of the court system and just solidify claims of a two tier justice system following other high profile sentences handed out to others for the same offence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr437vg0r5lo
Anything less than a jail sentence would make a mockery of the court system and just solidify claims of a two tier justice system following other high profile sentences handed out to others for the same offence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr437vg0r5lo
Vanden Saab said:
Surprised this isn't getting more coverage. Northampton Chief Constable found guilty of contempt of court by lying about and trying to cover up an unlawful arrest.
Anything less than a jail sentence would make a mockery of the court system and just solidify claims of a two tier justice system following other high profile sentences handed out to others for the same offence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr437vg0r5lo
Hopefully he will see prison time.Anything less than a jail sentence would make a mockery of the court system and just solidify claims of a two tier justice system following other high profile sentences handed out to others for the same offence.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cr437vg0r5lo
The police culture of covering up for colleagues, regardless of what they have done, is an anachronism.
This reminded of John Gott who was chief constable of Northamptonshire and a keen club racer with a big Healey 3000.
Anyway I doubt very much said person will receive any meaningful punishment such is the way of the world these days. She should be sacked and have all his benefits and privileges earned removed.
Anyway I doubt very much said person will receive any meaningful punishment such is the way of the world these days. She should be sacked and have all his benefits and privileges earned removed.
Edited by Smollet on Thursday 13th November 07:53
That bbc report was very light on the detail of the case dating back to 2021. Why was this heard at the Court of Appeal? To a layperson that sounds like a previous court hearing was overturned. Which court was that and what are the details of that case?
It’d be nice to hear the circumstances of the original arrest, detention and ultimate “dropped” case.
But then the ongoing battle about footage of her arrest. The report doesn’t really explain in any detail how that came up or why we are where we are.
A total s
t show whatever is behind it and no doubt something that will have cost us all a st tonne of money. Well done everyone.
It’d be nice to hear the circumstances of the original arrest, detention and ultimate “dropped” case.
But then the ongoing battle about footage of her arrest. The report doesn’t really explain in any detail how that came up or why we are where we are.
A total s
t show whatever is behind it and no doubt something that will have cost us all a st tonne of money. Well done everyone.scenario8 said:
That bbc report was very light on the detail of the case dating back to 2021. Why was this heard at the Court of Appeal? To a layperson that sounds like a previous court hearing was overturned. Which court was that and what are the details of that case?
It d be nice to hear the circumstances of the original arrest, detention and ultimate dropped case.
But then the ongoing battle about footage of her arrest. The report doesn t really explain in any detail how that came up or why we are where we are.
A total st show whatever is behind it and no doubt something that will have cost us all a st tonne of money. Well done everyone.
Full details here...It d be nice to hear the circumstances of the original arrest, detention and ultimate dropped case.
But then the ongoing battle about footage of her arrest. The report doesn t really explain in any detail how that came up or why we are where we are.
A total s
t show whatever is behind it and no doubt something that will have cost us all a st tonne of money. Well done everyone.https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bindmans.com/news...
It's an odd one for sure and one with potential serious implications
The Chief Con who wasn't in post when all this happened has been held personally liable for failings before his time it seems
Normally when action is taken against a CC it is the force not the post holder that is liable
This ruling by the appeal court if upheld could have consequences for heads of organisations/business CEO's not just police
Be interesting to see what happens
The Chief Con who wasn't in post when all this happened has been held personally liable for failings before his time it seems
Normally when action is taken against a CC it is the force not the post holder that is liable
This ruling by the appeal court if upheld could have consequences for heads of organisations/business CEO's not just police
Be interesting to see what happens
So much for police standards. Prior to this, another fine BiB name of Adderley was sacked from the Northants force following a gross misconduct hearing in June 2024 after being suspended in October the previous year. He had done a chancerer and lied about his career. The police are risking being seen as institutionally dishonest / incompetent as a result of these high profile cases. How many lower profile cases end up magicked away because police injustice victims just give up...
Before the situation started going downhill fast, here's one that survived.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/may/10/chief-c...
More recently vetting spared us from another, though it was after an appointment was announced.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/j...
Far too many police recruited and promoted to the highest levels end up being seen as eminently unsuitable. CC Hansen was suspended from his role at Gloucestershire Constabulary in October last year. He was redeployed to the Police Chiefs' Council before being suspended from that job too. Ongoing. We were spared another fine example of police senior leadership not long ago when a Met Police Commander who wrote anti-drugs documentation was sacked for refusing a drug test. His former flatmate testified that he smoked cannabis daily before leaving for work. We're in iceberg territory.
Before the situation started going downhill fast, here's one that survived.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/may/10/chief-c...
More recently vetting spared us from another, though it was after an appointment was announced.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/j...
Far too many police recruited and promoted to the highest levels end up being seen as eminently unsuitable. CC Hansen was suspended from his role at Gloucestershire Constabulary in October last year. He was redeployed to the Police Chiefs' Council before being suspended from that job too. Ongoing. We were spared another fine example of police senior leadership not long ago when a Met Police Commander who wrote anti-drugs documentation was sacked for refusing a drug test. His former flatmate testified that he smoked cannabis daily before leaving for work. We're in iceberg territory.
The reality is there are pricks in every walk of life, be it in the fire brigade, accountancy firms, down the recycling centre and the police. A prospective police officer doesn't have to do much to cover this up during recruitment. What does fail is when one of these pricks gets into a position where they can control the environment around them and their unacceptable behaviour becomes more prevalent, and it isn't stopped.
What hurts the most is the majority of police officers are good people, having good interactions with the public, and are good people at home. My cousin is an ex-officer and ended up holding a weapon outside number 10 for the latter part of his career - he despairs when he sees this sort of st going on because he knows the public will then tar every officer potentially the same way.
What hurts the most is the majority of police officers are good people, having good interactions with the public, and are good people at home. My cousin is an ex-officer and ended up holding a weapon outside number 10 for the latter part of his career - he despairs when he sees this sort of s
t going on because he knows the public will then tar every officer potentially the same way.coldel said:
The reality is there are pricks in every walk of life, be it in the fire brigade, accountancy firms, down the recycling centre and the police. A prospective police officer doesn't have to do much to cover this up during recruitment. What does fail is when one of these pricks gets into a position where they can control the environment around them and their unacceptable behaviour becomes more prevalent, and it isn't stopped.
What hurts the most is the majority of police officers are good people, having good interactions with the public, and are good people at home. My cousin is an ex-officer and ended up holding a weapon outside number 10 for the latter part of his career - he despairs when he sees this sort of st going on because he knows the public will then tar every officer potentially the same way.
It's not prickery by a small number. It is endemic in the police force particularly and public sector more broadly.What hurts the most is the majority of police officers are good people, having good interactions with the public, and are good people at home. My cousin is an ex-officer and ended up holding a weapon outside number 10 for the latter part of his career - he despairs when he sees this sort of s
t going on because he knows the public will then tar every officer potentially the same way.A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
coldel said:
The reality is there are pricks in every walk of life, be it in the fire brigade, accountancy firms, down the recycling centre and the police. A prospective police officer doesn't have to do much to cover this up during recruitment. What does fail is when one of these pricks gets into a position where they can control the environment around them and their unacceptable behaviour becomes more prevalent, and it isn't stopped.
What hurts the most is the majority of police officers are good people, having good interactions with the public, and are good people at home. My cousin is an ex-officer and ended up holding a weapon outside number 10 for the latter part of his career - he despairs when he sees this sort of st going on because he knows the public will then tar every officer potentially the same way.
exactly this!What hurts the most is the majority of police officers are good people, having good interactions with the public, and are good people at home. My cousin is an ex-officer and ended up holding a weapon outside number 10 for the latter part of his career - he despairs when he sees this sort of s
t going on because he knows the public will then tar every officer potentially the same way.the public want to have total faith in the police.
these selfish actions erode that faith.
please remove politics from the police.
at the moment they don't know if they are coming of going.
Furbo said:
It's not prickery by a small number. It is endemic in the police force particularly and public sector more broadly.
A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
And you have proof its endemic?A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
coldel said:
Furbo said:
It's not prickery by a small number. It is endemic in the police force particularly and public sector more broadly.
A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
And you have proof its endemic?A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
Almost all wrongdoing by cops is reported by other cops
There are bad apples in every organisation/business but most cops are decent honest and trying to do their very best in highly challenging circs
The press has a hard on for police wrongdoing and yet ignores the same or worse in other professions as do the public
We don't think all doctors are incompetent because one goes off mid operation and has sex with a nurse or all nurses are mass murderers do we
Earthdweller said:
It isn't endemic at all
Almost all wrongdoing by cops is reported by other cops
There are bad apples in every organisation/business but most cops are decent honest and trying to do their very best in highly challenging circs
The press has a hard on for police wrongdoing and yet ignores the same or worse in other professions as do the public
We don't think all doctors are incompetent because one goes off mid operation and has sex with a nurse or all nurses are mass murderers do we
I don't think other professions are ignored at all, estates agents, politicians, footballers, priests there's a number out there that are thought of poorly for all manner of reasons by segments of the public.Almost all wrongdoing by cops is reported by other cops
There are bad apples in every organisation/business but most cops are decent honest and trying to do their very best in highly challenging circs
The press has a hard on for police wrongdoing and yet ignores the same or worse in other professions as do the public
We don't think all doctors are incompetent because one goes off mid operation and has sex with a nurse or all nurses are mass murderers do we
However the police have powers few others possess, hence the continued interest in their wrong doing.
Edited by borcy on Thursday 13th November 10:04
Earthdweller said:
It isn't endemic at all
Almost all wrongdoing by cops is reported by other cops
There are bad apples in every organisation/business but most cops are decent honest and trying to do their very best in highly challenging circs
The press has a hard on for police wrongdoing and yet ignores the same or worse in other professions as do the public
We don't think all doctors are incompetent because one goes off mid operation and has sex with a nurse or all nurses are mass murderers do we
100%Almost all wrongdoing by cops is reported by other cops
There are bad apples in every organisation/business but most cops are decent honest and trying to do their very best in highly challenging circs
The press has a hard on for police wrongdoing and yet ignores the same or worse in other professions as do the public
We don't think all doctors are incompetent because one goes off mid operation and has sex with a nurse or all nurses are mass murderers do we
And the public just fall for it every time, there is a psychological fallacy for this called the 'Hasty Generalisation' which is self explanatory.
borcy said:
I don't other professions are ignored at all, estates agents, politicians, footballers, priests there's a number out there that are thought of poorly for all manner of reasons by segments of the public.
However the police have powers few others possess, hence the continued interest in their wrong doing.
Agreed, there should be interest, but to simply go from 'seeing press reports of police doing bad stuff' to 'all cops are bad' is an unreasonable leap and one full of assumptions, mostly incorrect.However the police have powers few others possess, hence the continued interest in their wrong doing.
coldel said:
Furbo said:
It's not prickery by a small number. It is endemic in the police force particularly and public sector more broadly.
A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
And you have proof its endemic?A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
Furbo said:
coldel said:
Furbo said:
It's not prickery by a small number. It is endemic in the police force particularly and public sector more broadly.
A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
And you have proof its endemic?A copper friend once explained it succinctly "You never know when you might be in a situation where you're relying on colleagues to save you, you consequently cover for them, whatever they have done."
coldel said:
borcy said:
I don't other professions are ignored at all, estates agents, politicians, footballers, priests there's a number out there that are thought of poorly for all manner of reasons by segments of the public.
However the police have powers few others possess, hence the continued interest in their wrong doing.
Agreed, there should be interest, but to simply go from 'seeing press reports of police doing bad stuff' to 'all cops are bad' is an unreasonable leap and one full of assumptions, mostly incorrect.However the police have powers few others possess, hence the continued interest in their wrong doing.
And that's not just the police, horizon is a good example.
How many people on a jury will believe the next computer expert; no of course your honour the software can't do that.
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