Cadillac F1 - expectations?
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MadCaptainJack said:
I'd love to see them come in and be competing for podiums by the end of the first season but past experience tells me that they're more likely to be backmarkers...
Yeah, it’s really hard even getting fhe logistics sorted. Even well established teams with years of experience find it hard work at the start of every season. Designing a competitive car is one thing, then building it and getting it to the trackside with all the spares support and a well oiled operational team is another monumental challenge. There are many cogs in the machine which all need to work seamlessly. I’ve been to winter tests where a brand new car is sat in the garage unable to turn a wheel due to missing critical parts. Even had one sat there because it was missing a steering column UJ. 100 guys all stood around in Spain waiting for it to arrive from the UK factory. Now if your factory is in the US, that’s another 8 hours away.
Anyway, hope it works out for them. You never know. Nobody predicted Brawn F1 was going to be so successful. I don’t think they even made it to winter testing!
uktrailmonster said:
Chassis design in England, manufacturing in US and wind tunnel in Germany sounds like a dog s dinner to me. I wouldn t expect too much next year. Just arriving at the first race with a finished car would be an achievement.
^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^It's hard enough doing in F1 car with a long established team when design is upstairs, manufacturing downstairs and wind tunnel on site in a different building
Zero chance of being mid-field
Last or 2nd to last if Alpine carry on as they're doing now
Mortarboard said:
Ferrari engine performance will likely be a big influence. If it's competitive e, or otherwise.
M.
This is the interesting part for me next season with them vs Audi. Cadillac are a team designing a new car but with an engine from a manufacturer who've been known to arseup engine regs, while Audi have never made an F1 engine but before but have taken over a team who have been known to arse up new aero regs M.
If we measure them on WCC points... if they can score around fifty plus, that would be a decent first year.
Alpine will be bottom, but Audi should beat Cadillac... on paper.
(As a completely new team, expect a slow burn with some pit lane / strategy errors...but that can happen to the best of them).
With two races & a sprint to go, using this as a ground measure:
Kick Sauber: 68
Alpine: 22
(Not exactly scientific.. but fifty points seems seems achievable.)
Alpine will be bottom, but Audi should beat Cadillac... on paper.
(As a completely new team, expect a slow burn with some pit lane / strategy errors...but that can happen to the best of them).
With two races & a sprint to go, using this as a ground measure:
Kick Sauber: 68
Alpine: 22
(Not exactly scientific.. but fifty points seems seems achievable.)
Edited by Milkyway on Wednesday 26th November 11:28
I think the biggest hurdle will be race weekend operations. They've had plenty of time to build the workforce, develop a car, improve their comms, have a shared vision and all that b
ks.
During the race weekend they will need to optimise practice sessions, use that data to make setup changes, work on quali strategy so they don't get caught out by improving or worsening track conditions, and obviously during a race be able to make and communicate strategy calls (hopefully the Ferrari PU doesn't come with their strategists), and manage pit stops under real pressure.
They've done some dry runs in recent races where they pretend they are racing but it isn't the same as being trackside.
At least with two experienced drivers, Cadillac can rely on them to just get on with it, while they work the backend out for themselves.
It will be interesting to see where the car is in the field on raw pace. There's no particular reason they won't be competitive - if the PU is as rubbish as is rumoured then there will be other teams alongside them at the back. I think the big calls will be where they fall down particularly in the first half of the season.
ks. During the race weekend they will need to optimise practice sessions, use that data to make setup changes, work on quali strategy so they don't get caught out by improving or worsening track conditions, and obviously during a race be able to make and communicate strategy calls (hopefully the Ferrari PU doesn't come with their strategists), and manage pit stops under real pressure.
They've done some dry runs in recent races where they pretend they are racing but it isn't the same as being trackside.
At least with two experienced drivers, Cadillac can rely on them to just get on with it, while they work the backend out for themselves.
It will be interesting to see where the car is in the field on raw pace. There's no particular reason they won't be competitive - if the PU is as rubbish as is rumoured then there will be other teams alongside them at the back. I think the big calls will be where they fall down particularly in the first half of the season.
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