Not insured on private drive
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Speedyduck said:
A friend has received notice that he is being done for no insurance. The car was behind a wall completely on his private drive.
Would insurance be required?
^^^^ Wot 'e (they) said.Would insurance be required?
It seems pretty much all of the PH massive up at this hour know more about insurance requirements than both you & your mate.
I think I got done once for this. Can’t remember when, but had the old Landrover taxed, not insured, after forgetting to SORN. Hadn’t turned a wheel, as I was rebuilding it in
I often run a little online car tax and MOT check for vehicles I see being used on his Majesty’s highway by certain elements of society. I’ve an almost 100% hit rate for picking out a non-taxed/MOT winner. It’s a good game for raising blood pressure and clearing out the arteries.
I often run a little online car tax and MOT check for vehicles I see being used on his Majesty’s highway by certain elements of society. I’ve an almost 100% hit rate for picking out a non-taxed/MOT winner. It’s a good game for raising blood pressure and clearing out the arteries.
Suppose someone had bought a car that had been off the road since the 1980s (so pre-SORN), only had an old-style V5 and was completely disassembled i.e. no engine or gearbox, no interior i.e. just a rolling shell with the parts not stored with it.
Insurance needed then?
(Asking for a friend, obvs)
Insurance needed then?
(Asking for a friend, obvs)
Speedyduck said:
Hello PH ers
A friend has received notice that he is being done for no insurance. The car was behind a wall completely on his private drive.
How long had it been uninsured for? I thought MIB were still sending our friendly warning letters... A friend has received notice that he is being done for no insurance. The car was behind a wall completely on his private drive.
https://www.mib.org.uk/reducing-uninsured-driving/...
It makes absolutely zero sense to me, but yes, stupidly we have a 'Continuous Insurance Enforcement' requirement in the UK as others have said, unless SORN.
Perfect example of overreach IMO. If I have a couple of motorbikes locked in my garage, nowhere near a public highway, that are sat there uninsured as they aren't being ridden and won't be ridden anytime soon, whose business/problem is it of anyones except mine?
Perfect example of overreach IMO. If I have a couple of motorbikes locked in my garage, nowhere near a public highway, that are sat there uninsured as they aren't being ridden and won't be ridden anytime soon, whose business/problem is it of anyones except mine?
Riley Blue said:
Suppose someone had bought a car that had been off the road since the 1980s (so pre-SORN), only had an old-style V5 and was completely disassembled i.e. no engine or gearbox, no interior i.e. just a rolling shell with the parts not stored with it.
Insurance needed then?
(Asking for a friend, obvs)
A friend of mine has similar, though with a current V5. If it hasn't been taxed since before the current system started, then for practical purposes it isn't a road vehicle. You can't SORN it even if you want to. It has to be taxed for road use, with all that implies, before the insurance and SORN rules kick in. Insurance needed then?
(Asking for a friend, obvs)
Hawkshaw said:
A friend of mine has similar, though with a current V5. If it hasn't been taxed since before the current system started, then for practical purposes it isn't a road vehicle. You can't SORN it even if you want to. It has to be taxed for road use, with all that implies, before the insurance and SORN rules kick in.
What makes you think you can't sorn it?Surely, if it has a V5 you can sorn it at the PO?
You certainly used to be able to.
E-bmw said:
What makes you think you can't sorn it?
Surely, if it has a V5 you can sorn it at the PO?
You certainly used to be able to.
You can't sorn it unless it has previously been taxed under the new system. In this case taxation class on the V5 states "not licensed," which may have a bearing on it. Sorn was attempted a year ago when owner changed address, but online system would not accept it. We just dug the V5 out and tried again out of interest, same result. The options given are,Surely, if it has a V5 you can sorn it at the PO?
You certainly used to be able to.
"You can tax it at a post office" or
"You can sorn it by sending form V890 to DVLA." V890 is just a simple SORN declaration.
Since no noises have ever been made about insurance or lack of it, best left alone, we think. It will probably never get rebuilt anyway.
Not arguing - just saying how it looks from here.
Hawkshaw said:
E-bmw said:
What makes you think you can't sorn it?
Surely, if it has a V5 you can sorn it at the PO?
You certainly used to be able to.
You can't sorn it unless it has previously been taxed under the new system. In this case taxation class on the V5 states "not licensed," which may have a bearing on it. Sorn was attempted a year ago when owner changed address, but online system would not accept it. We just dug the V5 out and tried again out of interest, same result. The options given are,Surely, if it has a V5 you can sorn it at the PO?
You certainly used to be able to.
"You can tax it at a post office" or
"You can sorn it by sending form V890 to DVLA." V890 is just a simple SORN declaration.
Since no noises have ever been made about insurance or lack of it, best left alone, we think. It will probably never get rebuilt anyway.
Not arguing - just saying how it looks from here.
Riley Blue said:
Suppose someone had bought a car that had been off the road since the 1980s (so pre-SORN), only had an old-style V5 and was completely disassembled i.e. no engine or gearbox, no interior i.e. just a rolling shell with the parts not stored with it.
Insurance needed then?
(Asking for a friend, obvs)
No.Insurance needed then?
(Asking for a friend, obvs)
I believe the cut off as such was as I said earlier 1998 but can’t recall where I read that.
Speedyduck said:
Hello PH ers
A friend has received notice that he is being done for no insurance. The car was behind a wall completely on his private drive.
Would insurance be required?
Thank you
SD
There's a big difference for being done for driving or keeping a vehicle on the public highway without insurance (IN10 conviction and points + fine) and being done for having no insurance on a taxed vehicle (just a fine). A friend has received notice that he is being done for no insurance. The car was behind a wall completely on his private drive.
Would insurance be required?
Thank you
SD
A friend of mine pushed this one to the limits the other day. They told him they would offer him £100 'fine' for it to go away, or take him to Court. He refused their offer but counter offered to meet the DVLA in court with his barrister.
They backed down right at the last minute with the usual 'on this occasion' letter.
I'm not sure this isn't all big brother bully boy tactics.
If it's a fact that it's clearly not on the highway, and hasn't been, and can't be, surely it's all very arguable? No doubt a better qualified person might step in (solicitor?) but that's certainlyt what happened anyway. I know it's the case as I was loosely 'implicated' so I had a blow by blow account from the 'accused.'
DVLA certainly weren't going to risk court and defence against a £100 wager.
They backed down right at the last minute with the usual 'on this occasion' letter.
I'm not sure this isn't all big brother bully boy tactics.
If it's a fact that it's clearly not on the highway, and hasn't been, and can't be, surely it's all very arguable? No doubt a better qualified person might step in (solicitor?) but that's certainlyt what happened anyway. I know it's the case as I was loosely 'implicated' so I had a blow by blow account from the 'accused.'
DVLA certainly weren't going to risk court and defence against a £100 wager.
T70RPM said:
A friend of mine pushed this one to the limits the other day. They told him they would offer him £100 'fine' for it to go away, or take him to Court. He refused their offer but counter offered to meet the DVLA in court with his barrister.
They backed down right at the last minute with the usual 'on this occasion' letter.
I'm not sure this isn't all big brother bully boy tactics.
If it's a fact that it's clearly not on the highway, and hasn't been, and can't be,surely it's all very arguable? No doubt a better qualified person might step in (solicitor?) but that's certainlyt what happened anyway. I know it's the case as I was loosely 'implicated' so I had a blow by blow account from the 'accused.'
DVLA certainly weren't going to risk court and defence against a £100 wager.
CIE isn't arguable at all. Unless it's sorned (or untaxed from a long time ago) it needs to be insuredThey backed down right at the last minute with the usual 'on this occasion' letter.
I'm not sure this isn't all big brother bully boy tactics.
If it's a fact that it's clearly not on the highway, and hasn't been, and can't be,surely it's all very arguable? No doubt a better qualified person might step in (solicitor?) but that's certainlyt what happened anyway. I know it's the case as I was loosely 'implicated' so I had a blow by blow account from the 'accused.'
DVLA certainly weren't going to risk court and defence against a £100 wager.
T70RPM said:
A friend of mine pushed this one to the limits the other day. They told him they would offer him £100 'fine' for it to go away, or take him to Court. He refused their offer but counter offered to meet the DVLA in court with his barrister.
They backed down right at the last minute with the usual 'on this occasion' letter.
I'm not sure this isn't all big brother bully boy tactics.
If it's a fact that it's clearly not on the highway, and hasn't been, and can't be, surely it's all very arguable?
Anything is arguable, the prospects of winning the argument are pretty much non-existent though. It’s a fairly simple law.They backed down right at the last minute with the usual 'on this occasion' letter.
I'm not sure this isn't all big brother bully boy tactics.
If it's a fact that it's clearly not on the highway, and hasn't been, and can't be, surely it's all very arguable?
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