is the Jag I-pace THAT bad?
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My Tesla model Y goes back early next year, and with the lack of lease deals as good as i have at the moment, I'm wondering if i am better of just buying one.
Bang for buck, the I-pace seems unbeatable, 16K for a 40k 2020 model with a nice spec and 280M range
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510247...
Is it that bad?
Whats the REAL range on these?
Will | hate it after the joys of a new tesla?
Bang for buck, the I-pace seems unbeatable, 16K for a 40k 2020 model with a nice spec and 280M range
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510247...
Is it that bad?
Whats the REAL range on these?
Will | hate it after the joys of a new tesla?
We had a 2023 used model for a few weeks until the power steering failed and it was going to take four weeks before they could even look at it so we rejected it and got our money back.
But it was a fantastic car to drive, incredibly comfortable (air suspension) and still looks superb.
Do your research. The biggest issue is potential battery problems and, as above, horrendous support. The last models hardly moved on over the early ones.
Real range depends on how you drive it, weather etc - just like any EV. This tends to be accurate:
https://ev-database.org/uk/
but the range will be much less than a Tesla and charging is much slower. I had a Tesla Model 3 then a Y. The iPace was a much nicer thing to drive and to be in.
But it was a fantastic car to drive, incredibly comfortable (air suspension) and still looks superb.
Do your research. The biggest issue is potential battery problems and, as above, horrendous support. The last models hardly moved on over the early ones.
Real range depends on how you drive it, weather etc - just like any EV. This tends to be accurate:
https://ev-database.org/uk/
but the range will be much less than a Tesla and charging is much slower. I had a Tesla Model 3 then a Y. The iPace was a much nicer thing to drive and to be in.
heisthegaffer said:
normalbloke said:
Yes.
Useful. Why are they so bad?My pal has had one for some time, been perfect and he loves it.
But even if that's the case it seems earlier models in particular were prone to problems and, as has been said, that's something which is made much worse if the dealer support to put things right is poor. They seem great if you get a good one but a potential pain if you don't....
My understanding
- as a car, they're great - fast, great handling, comfortable, spacious
- as an EV they were mediocre when new and poor compared to new stuff on the market today - 200 miles motorway range or under despite the large battery, charging at 100kW up to 40% and then tapering from there to 50kW at 85%. https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1287/Jaguar-I-Pace-...
- as a product they suffer some common significant issues especially with battery cell failures, exacerbated by Jag dealers many of which have closed down and which experience long delays getting parts, even if they are trying to help.
- as an investment they've been hideous for many of their first owners, shedding ~£50k in three years, but that makes them conversely a bargain to buy now
It seems like owners are polarised between those who have had no problems, and those who have and have been driven to distraction by Jaguar dealers aftersales "support". If you get a good one you could be very happy. I was tempted but decided against as they're a bit wide, I didn't want to be taking a gamble on a 'daily', and finding one with the spec I wanted was difficult. But I can see the attraction.
- as a car, they're great - fast, great handling, comfortable, spacious
- as an EV they were mediocre when new and poor compared to new stuff on the market today - 200 miles motorway range or under despite the large battery, charging at 100kW up to 40% and then tapering from there to 50kW at 85%. https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1287/Jaguar-I-Pace-...
- as a product they suffer some common significant issues especially with battery cell failures, exacerbated by Jag dealers many of which have closed down and which experience long delays getting parts, even if they are trying to help.
- as an investment they've been hideous for many of their first owners, shedding ~£50k in three years, but that makes them conversely a bargain to buy now
It seems like owners are polarised between those who have had no problems, and those who have and have been driven to distraction by Jaguar dealers aftersales "support". If you get a good one you could be very happy. I was tempted but decided against as they're a bit wide, I didn't want to be taking a gamble on a 'daily', and finding one with the spec I wanted was difficult. But I can see the attraction.
I have covered 30k in one. Brilliant cars, drive beautifully for a heavy EV.
The reliability in mine was ‘ok’, charge port locked shut twice (managed to fix myself), 2 parking sensors failed (painful dealing with Jaguar to fix) and apart from a couple of other niggles it was great.
Get a post 2021 car and a HSE with if you can find it air suspension they are a bargain.
Only thing I would say is the in car tech isn’t great compared to Tesla.
The reliability in mine was ‘ok’, charge port locked shut twice (managed to fix myself), 2 parking sensors failed (painful dealing with Jaguar to fix) and apart from a couple of other niggles it was great.
Get a post 2021 car and a HSE with if you can find it air suspension they are a bargain.
Only thing I would say is the in car tech isn’t great compared to Tesla.
I took my used 2019 iPace from 40k to about 73k miles in about 22 months of ownership. I bought it approved used so it came with 2 years warranty.
It was absolutely brilliant right up to the time that it wasn't. Not that I knew it at the time, but the air con pump developed an internal short which caused the car to break down. It took 3 or 4 months to get it booked in the dealer, diagnosed and fixed under warranty. If it hadn't been under warranty the cost would have been <£5k.
I knew that it was a risk when I bought it, but I've always had good luck with cars and figured that the warranty would sort out any issues. What I hadn't considered was the car being broken for such a long time.
I knew that I couldn't afford to run it without a warranty. With the warranty renewal coming up at about £1.5k for a year I decided to bail out.
The staff at the local Jag dealer were charming but they were under-resourced and had limited knowledge. I was stuck with using them because of the warranty.
I'm in a much simpler EV now, and whilst it isn't as good a car as the Jag, it is a much better mode of transport.
It was absolutely brilliant right up to the time that it wasn't. Not that I knew it at the time, but the air con pump developed an internal short which caused the car to break down. It took 3 or 4 months to get it booked in the dealer, diagnosed and fixed under warranty. If it hadn't been under warranty the cost would have been <£5k.
I knew that it was a risk when I bought it, but I've always had good luck with cars and figured that the warranty would sort out any issues. What I hadn't considered was the car being broken for such a long time.
I knew that I couldn't afford to run it without a warranty. With the warranty renewal coming up at about £1.5k for a year I decided to bail out.
The staff at the local Jag dealer were charming but they were under-resourced and had limited knowledge. I was stuck with using them because of the warranty.
I'm in a much simpler EV now, and whilst it isn't as good a car as the Jag, it is a much better mode of transport.
Edited by this is my username on Friday 28th November 19:04
this is my username said:
What I hadn't considered was the car being broken for such a long time.
I don't know if that's unusual with EVs - wife friends Renault 5, that she's had for 6 weeks, died a couple of weeks ago. Recovered to dealer who have told her they'll look at it in February.Got one at launch on an 18 month lease, then a slightly used one 3 years ago.
Probably the best EV to drive (and I've driven a fair few).
The first was problem free, current one has been back for a heater problem and rapid chargers sometimes fry the 12v battery. I'm keeping the manufacturer warranty running but will keep for another year.
Downsides are poor efficiency / range / rapid charging speed and the tech is starting to feel dated.
Probably the best EV to drive (and I've driven a fair few).
The first was problem free, current one has been back for a heater problem and rapid chargers sometimes fry the 12v battery. I'm keeping the manufacturer warranty running but will keep for another year.
Downsides are poor efficiency / range / rapid charging speed and the tech is starting to feel dated.
I've driven many EV's, especially from the early days of EV's as I used to work on the European motor show circuit - for JLR actually - so of course I ended up with an iPace... It's still the best to drive 'all rounder' EV in my experience, it's stupidly good for an SUV, even allowing for the fact that all EV SUV's tend to fix the problems with IC SUV's.
They're not at all unreliable as cars, other than the well known problem batch with the dodgy cells. The unreliable part was the JLR dealership network and aftercare, which proved to be terrible. Luckily third parties are now breaking into the cars systems and can fix the common issues, although parts remain a problem in some cases.
I would say that for the crazy low price they go for now, it's simply worth the plunge. The top spec cars were around £85k new and are now less than a quarter of that, and still a very fast and dynamic EV with genuine off road ability too. Beautiful interiors, luxury, the meridian sound system is worthy of a mention too as it's not just stickers, it was developed by Meridian and is superb.
It's essentially the luxury and tech level of a Range Rover Velar, but way faster and costs bugger all to run - and very little to buy.#
The range isn't great by modern standards but you shouldn't struggle. It'll do 200 ish miles and on any journey of that length in the UK you'll be passing hundreds of high speed chargers should you need to push further.
I now have a faster and on many metrics better BMW i4, certainly better range. But here's the thing, I still miss my iPace
They're not at all unreliable as cars, other than the well known problem batch with the dodgy cells. The unreliable part was the JLR dealership network and aftercare, which proved to be terrible. Luckily third parties are now breaking into the cars systems and can fix the common issues, although parts remain a problem in some cases.
I would say that for the crazy low price they go for now, it's simply worth the plunge. The top spec cars were around £85k new and are now less than a quarter of that, and still a very fast and dynamic EV with genuine off road ability too. Beautiful interiors, luxury, the meridian sound system is worthy of a mention too as it's not just stickers, it was developed by Meridian and is superb.
It's essentially the luxury and tech level of a Range Rover Velar, but way faster and costs bugger all to run - and very little to buy.#
The range isn't great by modern standards but you shouldn't struggle. It'll do 200 ish miles and on any journey of that length in the UK you'll be passing hundreds of high speed chargers should you need to push further.
I now have a faster and on many metrics better BMW i4, certainly better range. But here's the thing, I still miss my iPace
I would stick to later ones eg 22 on - after which most battery (not Jaguar's fault and shared with other manufacturers), windscreen sealing and heater issues (also not Jaguar's fault) were fixed, plus you get the better Pivi Pro system.
Mine is nearly 4 years old and has been faultless (kiss of death...)
Brakes look set to last 100k, and it still has original tyres on it at 35k (but they need changing).
It is fast, very refined, comfortable and a good looking car.
Just back from a trip to London in the pouring rain, 9C with passengers 205 mile trip, nearly all motorway at 70-80 and made it back with 23 miles to spare. Not bad for a 4 year old car.
Charging speeds are slower than newer cars, but I have only ever used a public charger 5-6 times.
I would not run without a warranty - the best Jaguar one is very good and around £1250 a year for a car the same age as mine.
Toyed with moving to a Taycan, but they have had plenty of issues too - not least the battery and heater ones - and, while very nice, it is not better enough to drive than the iPace to warrant the uplift. Try an iPace, they are surprisingly good.
Edited to add: for context my two previous cars were a RS6 and a RS4, both bought new and owned for 4 years each.
Mine is nearly 4 years old and has been faultless (kiss of death...)
Brakes look set to last 100k, and it still has original tyres on it at 35k (but they need changing).
It is fast, very refined, comfortable and a good looking car.
Just back from a trip to London in the pouring rain, 9C with passengers 205 mile trip, nearly all motorway at 70-80 and made it back with 23 miles to spare. Not bad for a 4 year old car.
Charging speeds are slower than newer cars, but I have only ever used a public charger 5-6 times.
I would not run without a warranty - the best Jaguar one is very good and around £1250 a year for a car the same age as mine.
Toyed with moving to a Taycan, but they have had plenty of issues too - not least the battery and heater ones - and, while very nice, it is not better enough to drive than the iPace to warrant the uplift. Try an iPace, they are surprisingly good.
Edited to add: for context my two previous cars were a RS6 and a RS4, both bought new and owned for 4 years each.
Edited by Discombobulate on Saturday 29th November 21:45
I looked at these used along with Audi e-tron but ended up getting a new Model 3 instead. To me the interior wasn't the luxury feel I expected, I was looking at XJs at the time and expected better. The screens were dogwater after I'd just sat in the e-tron and model 3, awful. The big plus point was the audio though, best I've ever heard.
In the end out of warranty worries were too much for me.
In the end out of warranty worries were too much for me.
Sheepshanks said:
this is my username said:
What I hadn't considered was the car being broken for such a long time.
I don't know if that's unusual with EVs - wife friends Renault 5, that she's had for 6 weeks, died a couple of weeks ago. Recovered to dealer who have told her they'll look at it in February.Sheepshanks said:
I don't know if that's unusual with EVs - wife friends Renault 5, that she's had for 6 weeks, died a couple of weeks ago. Recovered to dealer who have told her they'll look at it in February.
I wonder if this is simply down to the dealers not training their staff quickly enough. There's no way a renault dealer would make you wait that long on any other model unless they simply didn't have a trained staff. Might be worth your friend ringing around to some of the bigger dealers, I know Renault themselves used to have a couple of owned (not franchised) dealers as my father in law used to be a dealer principal at one, but that may have changed since. I wonder if Renault had the same problem with getting the Zoe fixed?It's almost certainly an issue for the Jag dealerships, one full EV model, not even sold now, and while they have hybrids in the JLR fleet I suspect they've just not resourced up properly and have little incentive to do so, coupled with all new problems at HQ which they haven't had to deal with. A failing starter motor and they'd be all over it, some weird earthing EV issue and their knowledge is pretty thin, just due to the lack of volume of cars out there
I quite like the ipace, been in a Waymo one and it was a pleasant place to be, but owning out of warranty, I'd need to know a nearby indy who I have confidence in.
Had one approve used for a few years
some minor issues all cover under warranty, take about 2 weeks to order part in my local dealership.
Great drive and probably the best looking EV
Performance seat is worth it, the standard seat look abit “budget” even on HSE imo
Tech is the biggest issue, charging is slow on DC, and efficiency so low. I managed around 2.5-2.8miles/kWh. In comparison I get 3.3-3.5 in iX3 a bigger and heavier EV and 4.0 on a model 3
some minor issues all cover under warranty, take about 2 weeks to order part in my local dealership.
Great drive and probably the best looking EV
Performance seat is worth it, the standard seat look abit “budget” even on HSE imo
Tech is the biggest issue, charging is slow on DC, and efficiency so low. I managed around 2.5-2.8miles/kWh. In comparison I get 3.3-3.5 in iX3 a bigger and heavier EV and 4.0 on a model 3
I had a Jaguar before going electric. Had an I Pace on loan when they just arrived for two days. Really, really liked the car to drive.
One of the things that put me off was how badly the staff at the dealer was informed. Every question, even the simplest ones, needed to be relayed and I basically had a much better chance of getting a correct answer researching online. They had one guy who "had the training" but that basically involved reading the brochure as far as I could tell.
In short, I think it's a great car that got a bit let down by the dealer network. But under most other brands it wouldn't have looked as good.
One of the things that put me off was how badly the staff at the dealer was informed. Every question, even the simplest ones, needed to be relayed and I basically had a much better chance of getting a correct answer researching online. They had one guy who "had the training" but that basically involved reading the brochure as far as I could tell.
In short, I think it's a great car that got a bit let down by the dealer network. But under most other brands it wouldn't have looked as good.
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