RE: Fabled TVR White Elephant is up for sale
RE: Fabled TVR White Elephant is up for sale
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Fabled TVR White Elephant is up for sale

Plotting a new era of car design is not easy. Thank goodness the journey is half the fun...


As Gerry McGovern’s time at JLR appears to be up, it’s worth reflecting on the challenges faced by car designers. There are the intangibles, of course, questions of taste and brand identity - not to mention the structural limitations of adhering not just to safety regulations but also an engineer’s whims - all of it eventually boiling down to the removal of a bedsheet on a show stand, followed by instant judgement from people who couldn’t draw you a cricket bat. 

When you get it right, you’re a hero. But get it wrong and walls close in really fast. Gerry got it right many times. In fact, if we credit him with the Evoque - arguably as close to a genuine clean-sheet design as Land Rover has been in the last 25 years - it might even be fair to say he caused the car world to shift on its axis. Had his compact SUV not been quite so terrifically striking, perhaps it wouldn’t have sold in quite such prodigious volume, thereby kicking off an upmarket segment land grab that continues to this day. 

At any rate, Gerry’s success demonstrated (not for the first time, of course) that if you got the styling right - right in a way that made your rivals look dingy and unimaginative - the customers would likely follow. The version of TVR that flourished under Peter Wheeler had well learned that lesson two decades earlier. The launch of the sublime Griffith in 1990 heralded an unbroken streak of steroidal sports cars that might not have ever been bettered: the Chimaera, Cerbera, Tuscan, Tamora and T350 all leaving an indelible mark on adolescent minds. 

But before any of that, there was the White Elephant. Built in 1988, as TVR and Wheeler groped for a direction away from so many wedges, the prototype was an attempt to soften and smooth out its '80s obsession with a tapering straight edge. Hence the vaguely futuristic vibe given off by the flush headlight glass and space-age back end. It screams design exercise, yet the car was no empty box: upfront it received an experimental Holden-built 5.0-litre V8 destined for racing Commodores; underneath, there was an SEAC chassis. 

In other words, it was perfectly drivable - and drive it Peter Wheeler did, for as many as 27k miles according to the seller. Doubtless it helped that the bespoke interior had been specifically crafted for his 6ft 6in frame, and even included a half-moon shape cut out in the back for his dog. However, despite the creature comforts, the concept eventually fell out of regular use as the firm went down the path that led to the Griffith and everything that followed. The White Elephant ended up in TVR’s graveyard, facing oblivion. 

Happily, just before the business was sold to Smolensky in 2004, the rotting corpse was acquired by a TVR superfan, who removed the tree growing from its loading bay and the mice from its rocker covers, and spent nine years restoring it. After twenty eventful years of running it, the car was sold to its current owner, who has brought it up to snuff ahead of offering it for sale to the wider public, effectively for the first time. It hardly needs saying that you’ll need not only deep pockets to keep in fine fettle, but also a huge soft spot for TVR in general. After all, the firm would promptly go on to make far better-looking and more famous cars that can be bought more cheaply. But the White Elephant’s storied imperfections are what make it special. It didn’t change the world. It just makes you happier to be in it.


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Geoffcapes

Original Poster:

1,038 posts

184 months

Yesterday (10:35)
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Clearly a TVR, looks a little kit car-ish. But certainly not a stunner, nor a minger.

I think I like it. I think.

A little bit of the BMW Z1 about it.

Geoff-Griff500

79 posts

49 months

Yesterday (10:42)
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Squinting you can sort of see the progression from the wedges to the Griffith.
Nice piece of automative history. Offers over £100,000 seems very steep. Not worth £60-70k more than my current Griff.

ex-devonpaul

1,541 posts

157 months

Yesterday (11:13)
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He must have had a small dog.

Turbobanana

7,594 posts

221 months

Yesterday (11:13)
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I like it - it's different and striking.

Surely inspired by Tom Karen's 2 (+ a replica) "Sotheby Special" DBS V8s for Ogle Design from the early 1970s:


Puddenchucker

5,219 posts

238 months

Yesterday (11:15)
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Looks quite good IMHO with the obvious family resemblence to the 'wedges'.

If I owned it, the fit of the veneer on on the centre console and around the instrument panel would annoy me everytime I drove it.
Other than that the interior looks nicely done.


If the owner wants £100+K, I think it will be for sale for quite some time...

Fetchez la vache

5,836 posts

234 months

Yesterday (11:16)
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Turbobanana said:
I like it - it's different and striking.

Surely inspired by Tom Karen's 2 (+ a replica) "Sotheby Special" DBS V8s for Ogle Design from the early 1970s:

I knew it reminded me of something! That was it.

Fascinating for sure, and absolutely love the dog cut out, but there's no way in my view of things I could pass over a sagaris for this for that sort of money.

Edited by Fetchez la vache on Wednesday 3rd December 11:35

J4CKO

45,221 posts

220 months

Yesterday (11:23)
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Quite like it, sort of BMW Z1 vibe at the front and RX7 FC/944 down the rear wings.

Martcouz

30 posts

173 months

Yesterday (11:51)
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It reminds me of the ill-fated Trident cars which had a very similar design. The Clipper and Tycoon in particular.

WPA

12,873 posts

134 months

Yesterday (11:57)
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Puddenchucker said:
Looks quite good IMHO with the obvious family resemblence to the 'wedges'.

If I owned it, the fit of the veneer on on the centre console and around the instrument panel would annoy me everytime I drove it.
Other than that the interior looks nicely done.


If the owner wants £100+K, I think it will be for sale for quite some time...
I struggle to see the issue with fit and finish, it was a one off prototype and is iconic in TVR circles

It was very nearly lost forever


quality matters

35 posts

166 months

Yesterday (12:26)
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I followed the rebuild thread on this when I had my Griffith 500 (the reason I am on PH) and really enjoyed it.
It's looks are a bit marmite, but I like it, but I was brought up on TVR wedges and lusted after one when I was young. I never owned one, but did buy a 280S (one of the first ones) and the 1993 Griff 500 (also one of the first ones).

thegreenhell

20,828 posts

239 months

Yesterday (12:39)
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Turbobanana said:
I like it - it's different and striking.

Surely inspired by Tom Karen's 2 (+ a replica) "Sotheby Special" DBS V8s for Ogle Design from the early 1970s:

Surely it's just an updated Tasmin?


Shooter McGavin

8,485 posts

164 months

Yesterday (12:41)
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I like it, but you'd have to be a total TVR superfan with very deep pockets to spend over £100k on it.

I do love that someone has brought it back from a wreck to its former glory though.

WPA

12,873 posts

134 months

Yesterday (12:56)
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thegreenhell said:
Turbobanana said:
I like it - it's different and striking.

Surely inspired by Tom Karen's 2 (+ a replica) "Sotheby Special" DBS V8s for Ogle Design from the early 1970s:

Surely it's just an updated Tasmin?

Some sources say it is a bespoke body, others state reworked 350I shell


Turbobanana

7,594 posts

221 months

Yesterday (13:26)
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thegreenhell said:
Turbobanana said:
I like it - it's different and striking.

Surely inspired by Tom Karen's 2 (+ a replica) "Sotheby Special" DBS V8s for Ogle Design from the early 1970s:

Surely it's just an updated Tasmin?

Absolutely it is. I was speculating that the inspiration must surely have come from the Ogle Astons, which were built about 8 years before the Tasmin was launched.

Bob_Defly

5,060 posts

251 months

Yesterday (13:29)
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" all of it eventually boiling down to the removal of a bedsheet on a show stand"

Great quote, and one of my favourite photos I have taken at a car show.

Jaguar F-Type Unveiling by rob smith photography, on Flickr

cerb4.5lee

39,834 posts

200 months

Yesterday (13:47)
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I'd do like how individual this is, and it looks to be in a lovely condition too. But I don't think I'd part with over a £100k for it though.

Demonix

735 posts

232 months

Yesterday (14:27)
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Quite like the look of that, coupe is better looking than the ragtops with the naff folded pram hood crumpled up at the back spoiling the clean lines when down and look cheap and tacky when up. A T350c, Tuscan,Cerbera, Griff or Chim would still be preferable to a TVR wedge era to me and less than £100k by quite a margin.

FHCNICK

1,356 posts

251 months

Yesterday (14:30)
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Turbobanana said:
thegreenhell said:
Turbobanana said:
I like it - it's different and striking.

Surely inspired by Tom Karen's 2 (+ a replica) "Sotheby Special" DBS V8s for Ogle Design from the early 1970s:

Surely it's just an updated Tasmin?

Absolutely it is. I was speculating that the inspiration must surely have come from the Ogle Astons, which were built about 8 years before the Tasmin was launched.


The Ogle looks more like the TVR Zante, an earlier prototype than the Taamin which like the White Elephant ended up in the graveyard

DanL

6,556 posts

285 months

Yesterday (14:39)
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Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche or this? You’d need to be quite the TVR fan with a collection of other cars to spend the money being asked, I think, as I’m not sure anyone would have this as their only toy car at 100k…

GTRene

20,276 posts

244 months

Yesterday (14:47)
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Looks good I must say, inside out, like also the interior colors and ow, the somewhat strange (for TVR) engine stuff.

lovely classic.