Facial Recognition technology
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Slow.Patrol

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3,304 posts

34 months

Yesterday (07:15)
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3r7pwpgeweo.a...

Looks like the Government have plans to increase the number of facial recognition cameras in the UK.

I'm not sure how I feel about this. If it gets bad people off the street, then that's a good thing, but it is a big brother thing, but no different to ANPR.

Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?

davek_964

10,467 posts

195 months

Yesterday (07:17)
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Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
Unlikely. "My religion" seems to trump most laws.

swisstoni

21,302 posts

299 months

Yesterday (07:45)
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davek_964 said:
Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
Unlikely. "My religion" seems to trump most laws.
I can't think of too many religions that require men to cover their faces. Just the women (funny that).
And as men seem to commit the vast amount of crime, I can't see religion being the problem.

As for facial recognition in general, it's just a new technology imho. You can't expect authorities not to use new technologies because it's somehow 'not fair'.
If you show your mug in public you have always run the risk of being recognised. That 'risk' has just increased, that's all.

davek_964

10,467 posts

195 months

Yesterday (07:52)
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swisstoni said:
davek_964 said:
Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
Unlikely. "My religion" seems to trump most laws.
I can't think of too many religions that require men to cover their faces. Just the women (funny that).
And as men seem to commit the vast amount of crime, I can't see religion being the problem.
There are already documented cases of criminal men dressing as women with facial coverings - e.g. for flying. There is nothing to stop men who know they are wanted for serious crimes from doing so when they visit public places if facial recognition is ramped up.

I'm sure they won't all do that, but religious beliefs allows them to do that if they choose and the law does not prohibit it. (And these days, they can always claim they don't identify as a man anyway).


swisstoni

21,302 posts

299 months

Yesterday (07:56)
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davek_964 said:
swisstoni said:
davek_964 said:
Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
Unlikely. "My religion" seems to trump most laws.
I can't think of too many religions that require men to cover their faces. Just the women (funny that).
And as men seem to commit the vast amount of crime, I can't see religion being the problem.
There are already documented cases of criminal men dressing as women with facial coverings - e.g. for flying. There is nothing to stop men who know they are wanted for serious crimes from doing so when they visit public places if facial recognition is ramped up.

I'm sure they won't all do that, but religious beliefs allows them to do that if they choose and the law does not prohibit it. (And these days, they can always claim they don't identify as a man anyway).
It'd be a ball-ache though. hehe

bucksmanuk

2,357 posts

190 months

Yesterday (07:57)
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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin
maybe its part of a bigger picture.... both the quote and the sentiment....

AbbeyNormal

5,953 posts

178 months

Yesterday (08:04)
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davek_964 said:
Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
Unlikely. "My religion" seems to trump most laws.
wow. only took two posts to roll out the usual trope. well done.

Slow.Patrol

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3,304 posts

34 months

Yesterday (08:13)
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AbbeyNormal said:
wow. only took two posts to roll out the usual trope. well done.
Wow.

Only took a few posts for the virtual signaller to arrive.


davek_964

10,467 posts

195 months

Yesterday (08:16)
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AbbeyNormal said:
davek_964 said:
Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
Unlikely. "My religion" seems to trump most laws.
wow. only took two posts to roll out the usual trope. well done.
Ok.

If what I said is not true - how is it that a man can board a flight with a woman's passport because he's covered his face? I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to get on a flight with my wife's passport - and wrapping a woollen scarf around my face wouldn't cut it.

How about within Catholic church where sexual discrimination is still clearly a thing - seen a female pope ever? - even though sexual discrimination is no longer allowed in many countries?

s1962a

6,981 posts

182 months

Yesterday (08:19)
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It's caught loads of criminals where it's been deployed, so I see the merits of it.

GiantEnemyCrab

7,886 posts

223 months

Yesterday (08:20)
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They can't catch any criminals with the current workload, so not sure what a load of extra hits from another system will give them....

And the mission creep over time will always continue.....

J210

5,124 posts

203 months

Yesterday (08:22)
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Wonder if it will be linked to your digital ID

CypSIdders

1,191 posts

174 months

Yesterday (08:29)
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Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
It's already proposed in the new crime and Policing bill:-

"A new criminal offence which prohibits the wearing or otherwise using of an item that conceals identity when in an area designated by police under the new provisions.

This measure will criminalise the act of wearing or otherwise using an item (for instance a face covering) that conceals their or another person’s identity when in an area that the police have designated. A designation can only be made in relation to an area when the police reasonably believe that a protest may or is taking place in that area, the protest is likely to involve or has involved the commission of offences and that a designation would prevent or control the commission of offences. The offence will carry a maximum penalty of one month imprisonment, a £1000 fine, or both."

Ashfordian

2,347 posts

109 months

Yesterday (08:29)
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Since 2020 the face mask has become the face covering of choice.

It's amazing how many young males in certain areas of North London are scared of Covid/fresh air...

cirian75

4,997 posts

253 months

Yesterday (08:34)
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J210 said:
Wonder if it will be linked to your digital ID
100% it will, and digital ID will be linked to your bank account.

swisstoni

21,302 posts

299 months

Yesterday (08:35)
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cirian75 said:
J210 said:
Wonder if it will be linked to your digital ID
100% it will, and digital ID will be linked to your bank account.
Here we go ...

Crumpet

4,825 posts

200 months

Yesterday (08:40)
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Tough one; we moan about lack of public sector productivity but when an AI tool comes in that could raise it we then moan about that.

But until they ban face coverings it’s pretty pointless. I wonder if they can analyse gait as a means of identifying people?

GadgeS3C

4,604 posts

184 months

Yesterday (08:41)
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CypSIdders said:
Slow.Patrol said:
Will this then lead to legislation banning facial coverings?
It's already proposed in the new crime and Policing bill:-

"A new criminal offence which prohibits the wearing or otherwise using of an item that conceals identity when in an area designated by police under the new provisions.

This measure will criminalise the act of wearing or otherwise using an item (for instance a face covering) that conceals their or another person s identity when in an area that the police have designated. A designation can only be made in relation to an area when the police reasonably believe that a protest may or is taking place in that area, the protest is likely to involve or has involved the commission of offences and that a designation would prevent or control the commission of offences. The offence will carry a maximum penalty of one month imprisonment, a £1000 fine, or both."
Expecting progress on the face mask and balaclava penetrating CCTV any day now. hehe

vixen1700

27,130 posts

290 months

Yesterday (08:45)
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Crumpet said:
Tough one; we moan about lack of public sector productivity but when an AI tool comes in that could raise it we then moan about that.

But until they ban face coverings it s pretty pointless. I wonder if they can analyse gait as a means of identifying people?
On my walk up to the corner-shop this morning I saw the usual niqab wearing women plus loads of people with their little blue Covid masks as it's now flu season.

Can't see face coverings being banned anytime soon.

bucksmanuk

2,357 posts

190 months

Yesterday (08:51)
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swisstoni said:
Here we go ...
Please remember your sentiments expressed here....