RE: Petrol-powered Alpine A110 still on the cards
RE: Petrol-powered Alpine A110 still on the cards
Saturday 6th December

Petrol-powered Alpine A110 still on the cards

Loosening regulations might yet save ICE-driven A110; hot Clio and Twingo models also possible...


Alpine has not yet ruled out a petrol-powered A110 that would use a modified version of its new Performance Platform (APP), giving it a multi-energy line-up of both coupe and convertible sports cars to appease varying global demands. Speaking to PH at the launch of the new A390, Alpine CEO Philipe Krief said it wasn’t immediately possible to modify the EV-only APP to work with a pure internal combustion engine or plug-in hybrid powertrains, but that if he decided it was worthwhile, he could “press the button” and it’d only take his team “two years to do it”.

“One year ago, I asked myself would it be possible to also have the [APP] platform as multi-energy?” Krief revealed during our exclusive chat. “I have the answer: yes, it’s possible, but it’d have to be done without having any bad collateral effect on the EV version. Because I would like to do the best possible car on the EV version, which we want to be at the level of the best ICE sports car of today.”

That, Krief went on to explain, was the 488 Pista, Ferrari’s sublime (and long succeeded) turbocharged berlinetta, which with 720hp and a 1,385kg kerb weight is being used as a benchmark in both performance and weight in the development of the A110 EV. That means any future ICE- or PHEV-powered A110 sibling would have to play second fiddle, performance-wise, to the supercar-aping electric two-seater. But as Krief put it, “there are some markets around the world that are still not so ready for EVs”.

“That’s why I’m thinking that instead of seeing an ICE A110 as a derisking move [for Alpine’s product portfolio], it’s more about creating new opportunities for sales,” he added. “Right now, we’re focusing on the electric one, first as a coupe and then as a spider. Then let’s try to understand if there are some opportunities to add another version, an ICE or a plug-in hybrid version. Then we will do it.”

Not surprisingly, Krief couldn’t say whether Alpine’s main sources of demand, France and Britain, would be on the target list for a future petrol-powered A110, but he did confirm that keeping the current petrol car with its turbocharged 1.8-litre engine in production in a Euro 7 era (which starts in Nov 2026) was impossible, for emissions reasons. He also didn’t seem particularly optimistic about the domestic market’s chances of receiving anything ICE-powered in the future. Thanks to France’s strict new CO2 limits, Krief explained that a newly launched petrol-powered sports car producing over 150g/km can now be slapped with as much as 70,000 euros in tax, essentially making sales for another petrol A110 there impossible.

There’s still hope for the UK, though - and whether a petrol A110 happens or not, there are other reasons to be optimistic about Alpine’s future line-up here. Demand for the A290 here is second only to France, which is something that might resonate with Renault Sport fans who remember when Britain’s hunger for Dieppe-made hot hatches meant we got special editions like the Clio 182 Trophy. Surely there’s untapped demand in lower-cost models like that waiting to be catered to? Krief didn’t dismiss the idea.

“Right now, I’m focusing all my engineering team on the new cars to be made on the new platform,” he said. “My engineering team is just 220 people - and this is the designing, developing testing team, which is tiny [compared with rivals]. I want them to focus on the development of the EV. Then if there is something to do for Renault, if they ask us, we will do it.”

Krief’s suggestion of a collaboration with Renault related to expanding its work on non-Alpine models. He conceded that there might be decent demand in markets like Britain for an Alpine-tuned chassis for Renault-built hatchbacks like the Clio and Twingo, explaining that there’s even a business case for it now, too. “There are already Renaults where we have Atelier Alpine versions, so it depends on the strategy of Renault. But for Alpine, already today [this strategy] helps us to make the brand more known and visible, with more cars on the road with the Alpine logo thanks to the Renault variants.”

Visibly buoyed by Alpine’s recent success in the launch of the A290, Krief was also excited about the brand’s future in Formula 1’s new technological era and how that could influence its road car line-up in the future. With new regulations requiring F1 teams to power their cars using synthetic fuels, he agreed there’s good reason to think advancements will be made in cutting costs.

While Krief still thinks hydrogen-powered combustion engines are the most exciting long-term sustainable solution - illustrated by Alpine’s 2024 Alpenglow Hy6 prototype - he conceded that hydrogen “is a lot more difficult because you have to change a few things in the engine combustion chamber, and you have to install a special tank, which is not so easy”.

"And anyway, the distribution of hydrogen today could not realistically allow us to have a road car,” he said. “But F1’s e-fuel could be something for the future of our road cars, and even an ICE A110.”


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Twinair

Original Poster:

969 posts

162 months

Yesterday (09:49)
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So basically, this is Executive speak for:

‘Yeah - we are gonna need more than EV, else business model can’t deliver’

‘We may have needlessly rushed the EV thing - we need to pivot’

Etc…

trails

6,008 posts

169 months

Yesterday (09:52)
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A Spider. Excellent.

Clivey

5,446 posts

224 months

Yesterday (12:05)
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The sooner the Net Zero nutters are ejected from power, the better. Normal people are becoming increasingly angry with all the dictats and meddling.

Also, would it really have been so difficult for Alpine / Renault to give us a manual version of the A110. The lack of one really kills the appeal of the existing cars for me. These cars were never about chasing the most impressive on-paper stats so why not engineer your small driver's car to provide as much involvement as possible?

trails

6,008 posts

169 months

Yesterday (12:17)
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Clivey said:
The sooner the Net Zero nutters are ejected from power, the better. Normal people are becoming increasingly angry with all the dictats and meddling.

Also, would it really have been so difficult for Alpine / Renault to give us a manual version of the A110. The lack of one really kills the appeal of the existing cars for me. These cars were never about chasing the most impressive on-paper stats so why not engineer your small driver's car to provide as much involvement as possible?
Isn't it because they used the drivetrain form the RS Clio?

Clivey

5,446 posts

224 months

Yesterday (13:09)
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trails said:
Isn't it because they used the drivetrain form the RS Clio?
It's the RS Megane engine, which was available with a manual in that car. smile

Billy_Whizzzz

2,446 posts

163 months

Yesterday (13:29)
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Clivey said:
The sooner the Net Zero nutters are ejected from power, the better. Normal people are becoming increasingly angry with all the dictats and meddling.

Also, would it really have been so difficult for Alpine / Renault to give us a manual version of the A110. The lack of one really kills the appeal of the existing cars for me. These cars were never about chasing the most impressive on-paper stats so why not engineer your small driver's car to provide as much involvement as possible?
Sadly, Conforming to type that car people are generally not clever people.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Sunday 7th December 15:31

Tickle

5,822 posts

224 months

Yesterday (13:37)
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Clivey said:
trails said:
Isn't it because they used the drivetrain form the RS Clio?
It's the RS Megane engine, which was available with a manual in that car. smile
That box wouldn't have worked with the mid engine layout though, a bespoke arrangement would have been needed. Cost, weight and demand ruled it out I believe.

Agree, in a car like the A110 a manual option would have been great, if feasible.

nismo48

5,868 posts

227 months

Yesterday (15:45)
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trails said:
A Spider. Excellent.
+1

Frimley111R

17,805 posts

254 months

Yesterday (15:52)
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Tickle said:
Clivey said:
trails said:
Isn't it because they used the drivetrain form the RS Clio?
It's the RS Megane engine, which was available with a manual in that car. smile
That box wouldn't have worked with the mid engine layout though, a bespoke arrangement would have been needed. Cost, weight and demand ruled it out I believe.

Agree, in a car like the A110 a manual option would have been great, if feasible.
It would have but I guess there were cost limitations and the reality is that most byers these days buy auto/paddleshift cars. They would have had to do both types of gearboxes. RenaultSport admitted they should have done that with the last Clio

trails

6,008 posts

169 months

Yesterday (16:12)
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Clivey said:
It's the RS Megane engine, which was available with a manual in that car. smile
Thanks smile

S600BSB

6,984 posts

126 months

Yesterday (16:40)
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Clivey said:
The sooner the Net Zero nutters are ejected from power, the better. Normal people are becoming increasingly angry with all the dictats and meddling.

Also, would it really have been so difficult for Alpine / Renault to give us a manual version of the A110. The lack of one really kills the appeal of the existing cars for me. These cars were never about chasing the most impressive on-paper stats so why not engineer your small driver's car to provide as much involvement as possible?
Sadly, Conforming to type that car people are generally not clever people.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Sunday 7th December 15:31
Very good

Terminator X

18,854 posts

224 months

Yesterday (16:43)
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Surely it will be too heavy if I assume they have use the EV platform.

As for hydrogen, this guy must be mental as all the EV experts on here tell us it's impossible whistle

O/T I still can't see electric sports cars gaining any momentum. For nerds and geeks only.

TX.

Edited by Terminator X on Sunday 7th December 16:46

plfrench

3,970 posts

288 months

Yesterday (17:00)
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PH are a bit mean teasing people in the UK with this sort of article. With the success Renault are having shifting their EVs into our market there’s pretty much zero chance of them bothering with type approval for anything other than EVs in the medium term and hybrids in the short term. It’s only four years till pure ICE is banned here and 9 years till ZEV only. Four years is nothing in car development pipeline terms and even that 5-9 year window is pretty unattractive due to the 20% and reducing limit of non-ZEV sales that will be allowed.

It just doesn’t feel like it’s worth them sparing any further thoughts on the UK. Even if Reform get in and throw the whole EV transition out of the window, it won’t be till 2029 by which time we’ll be so far down the transition route that it really won’t make sense to try and turn it around.

Murph7355

40,723 posts

276 months

Yesterday (18:28)
quotequote all
Clivey said:
The sooner the Net Zero nutters are ejected from power, the better. Normal people are becoming increasingly angry with all the dictats and meddling.

Also, would it really have been so difficult for Alpine / Renault to give us a manual version of the A110. The lack of one really kills the appeal of the existing cars for me. These cars were never about chasing the most impressive on-paper stats so why not engineer your small driver's car to provide as much involvement as possible?
So it's not just the net zero nutters you object to, but the "any technological advancement" ones too?

biggrin

Plenty of enjoyable manual ICE cars out there to enjoy, and will be for long enough to outlast us dinosaurs.

HTP99

24,480 posts

160 months

Yesterday (18:55)
quotequote all
Clivey said:
The sooner the Net Zero nutters are ejected from power, the better. Normal people are becoming increasingly angry with all the dictats and meddling.

Also, would it really have been so difficult for Alpine / Renault to give us a manual version of the A110. The lack of one really kills the appeal of the existing cars for me. These cars were never about chasing the most impressive on-paper stats so why not engineer your small driver's car to provide as much involvement as possible?
3 posts in, is this a record?!

Sporky

9,554 posts

84 months

Yesterday (19:20)
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Terminator X said:
For nerds and geeks only.
Ah; name-calling. The basis of every sound, well-reasoned argument.

Clivey

5,446 posts

224 months

Yesterday (21:56)
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Billy_Whizzzz said:
Sadly, Conforming to type that car people are generally not clever people.

Edited by Billy_Whizzzz on Sunday 7th December 15:31
Because I think the "Net Zero" policy is misguided nonsense?

Ferrari-F355

12 posts

1 month

Yesterday (22:16)
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Ice bans def being kicked into the long grass shortly as we already knew and expected, unless hired to push a particular agenda .

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/12/07/la...

Terminator X

18,854 posts

224 months

Yesterday (22:50)
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Sporky said:
Terminator X said:
For nerds and geeks only.
Ah; name-calling. The basis of every sound, well-reasoned argument.
Seems to work both ways. Not allowed if you drive ICE though rofl

TX.

rodericb

8,315 posts

146 months

Tickle said:
Clivey said:
trails said:
Isn't it because they used the drivetrain form the RS Clio?
It's the RS Megane engine, which was available with a manual in that car. smile
That box wouldn't have worked with the mid engine layout though, a bespoke arrangement would have been needed. Cost, weight and demand ruled it out I believe.

Agree, in a car like the A110 a manual option would have been great, if feasible.
What would be bespoke?