WDC's lost due to self inflicted penalties?

[anonymous_user]

continuing on from this years 'discussion' about how Max effectively played a part in knackering his own WDC (we all know the racing gods play their part too- before anyone gets their knickers in a twist) ...who else has managed to scupper a WDC?

so far i've only got;

Alonso '07 & Hungary ...he'd have surely picked up another point at least, if he'd started from pole?

close but no donuts- as it effectively didn't change the outcome anyways;

Hamilton '08 & Spa
Schumacher '94 & Silverstone (although im sure there are many more from that season)

so lets start a list & make Max feel a bit better

[gshughes]

anonymous_user said:

Hamilton '08 & Spa

Am I missing something, Hamilton won the WDC in '08?

[anonymous_user]

gshughes said:

Am I missing something, Hamilton won the WDC in '08?

yes, your reading glasses

[Supersam83]

Hamilton - 2007 China - Sliding wide and crashing into the pit entry. Lost the championship by 1 point.

Piastri - 2025 Baku - Crashed in Qualifying, Crashed in the race. 2025 Austin Sprint - Crashed out. 2025 Brazil Sprint - Crashed out. 2025 Brazil main race - Crashed into Kimi causing penalty. Lost the championship by 13 points.

[Muzzer79]

anonymous_user said:

gshughes said:

Am I missing something, Hamilton won the WDC in '08?

yes, your reading glasses

Your post wasn't too clear in identifying that Hamilton and Schumacher examples were almost scuppering their WDC.

There's a lot of what-iffing.......but you could say Alonso at the British GP in 2010, where he passed Kubica off track and got a drive through. He'd have ultimately (theoretically) been WDC if he'd have scored a handful of points that day.

[Jasandjules]

Supersam83 said:

Hamilton - 2007 China - Sliding wide and crashing into the pit entry. Lost the championship by 1 point.

But really that was the team refusing to let him box when he asked wasn't it? Then the tyre was fecked and that was that. So a team inflicted not self inflicted as such?

It was Schumacher on Hill that really crossed my mind.

[thegreenhell]

Schumacher 97. All he had to do was beat Villeneuve in the last race to be WDC. Instead he decided to crash into him and got DSQ from the whole season.

[anonymous_user]

Supersam83 said:

Hamilton - 2007 China - Sliding wide and crashing into the pit entry. Lost the championship by 1 point.

Piastri - 2025 Baku - Crashed in Qualifying, Crashed in the race. 2025 Austin Sprint - Crashed out. 2025 Brazil Sprint - Crashed out. 2025 Brazil main race - Crashed into Kimi causing penalty. Lost the championship by 13 points.

yeah im talking penalties ...so Brasil '25 counts, but not sure Piastri had it in him to win (as he'd have needed the extra 15pts, rather than the 8 he lost dropping from 2nd to 5th)

[gmaz]

Jasandjules said:

But really that was the team refusing to let him box when he asked wasn't it? Then the tyre was fecked and that was that. So a team inflicted not self inflicted as such?

Also that the pit lane was much wetter than the track and Hamilton and his race engineer didn't account for that.

[anonymous_user]

Muzzer79 said:

Your post wasn't too clear in identifying that Hamilton and Schumacher examples were almost scuppering their WDC.

you managed it, so clear enough as far as im concerned

Muzzer79 said:

There's a lot of what-iffing.......but you could say Alonso at the British GP in 2010, where he passed Kubica off track and got a drive through. He'd have ultimately (theoretically) been WDC if he'd have scored a handful of points that day.

thats a great shout, so he effectively lost 10-12pts as would likely have finished 4/5th had he just given the place back?

[anonymous_user]

gmaz said:

Jasandjules said:

But really that was the team refusing to let him box when he asked wasn't it? Then the tyre was fecked and that was that. So a team inflicted not self inflicted as such?

Also that the pit lane was much wetter than the track and Hamilton and his race engineer didn't account for that.

ill allow team inflicted penalties ...but not team inflicted daftness

[Zetec-S]

thegreenhell said:

Schumacher 97. All he had to do was beat Villeneuve in the last race to be WDC. Instead he decided to crash into him and got DSQ from the whole season.

He crashed into him because Villeneuve was about to overtake him, which would have meant Villeneuve becoming WDC. So resorted to Adelaine '94 tactics, only this time it didn't come off.

In the end the disqualification meant nothing as Villeneuve won anyway, but I do wonder if Schumacher had been successful in taking both cars out (thereby finishing ahead on points) whether the FIA would have had the backbone to disqualify him.

[thegreenhell]

Zetec-S said:

thegreenhell said:

Schumacher 97. All he had to do was beat Villeneuve in the last race to be WDC. Instead he decided to crash into him and got DSQ from the whole season.

He crashed into him because Villeneuve was about to overtake him, which would have meant Villeneuve becoming WDC. So resorted to Adelaine '94 tactics, only this time it didn't come off.

In the end the disqualification meant nothing as Villeneuve won anyway, but I do wonder if Schumacher had been successful in taking both cars out (thereby finishing ahead on points) whether the FIA would have had the backbone to disqualify him.

Or he could have defended without crashing into his opponent.

[anonymous_user]

thegreenhell said:

Zetec-S said:

thegreenhell said:

Schumacher 97. All he had to do was beat Villeneuve in the last race to be WDC. Instead he decided to crash into him and got DSQ from the whole season.

He crashed into him because Villeneuve was about to overtake him, which would have meant Villeneuve becoming WDC. So resorted to Adelaine '94 tactics, only this time it didn't come off.

In the end the disqualification meant nothing as Villeneuve won anyway, but I do wonder if Schumacher had been successful in taking both cars out (thereby finishing ahead on points) whether the FIA would have had the backbone to disqualify him.

Or he could have defended without crashing into his opponent.

I think we all know what the chances of anything Red being meaningfully DSQ'd under Bernies watch was

[jimmsy]

anonymous_user said:

so lets start a list & make Max feel a bit better

I think this topic says a lot more about how you feel in life rather than how Max feels....

[super7]

Jasandjules said:

Supersam83 said:

Hamilton - 2007 China - Sliding wide and crashing into the pit entry. Lost the championship by 1 point.

But really that was the team refusing to let him box when he asked wasn't it? Then the tyre was fecked and that was that. So a team inflicted not self inflicted as such?

It was Schumacher on Hill that really crossed my mind.

Was it the team refusing to let him box or was there some other influence i.ie not letting the rookie win a WDC as it makes it look too easy????

I can't believe the team would not be able to see the canvas on the tyre?

[peterdent]

This is a long off season , who cares that was the past

[Muzzer79]

super7 said:

Jasandjules said:

Supersam83 said:

Hamilton - 2007 China - Sliding wide and crashing into the pit entry. Lost the championship by 1 point.

But really that was the team refusing to let him box when he asked wasn't it? Then the tyre was fecked and that was that. So a team inflicted not self inflicted as such?

It was Schumacher on Hill that really crossed my mind.

Was it the team refusing to let him box or was there some other influence i.ie not letting the rookie win a WDC as it makes it look too easy????

I can't believe the team would not be able to see the canvas on the tyre?

IIRC, the track was a lot drier than the pitlane. The tyres were shot and down to slick but they knew that - they didn't expect it to be that slippery in the pitlane and neither did Hamilton.

I could swear that they were torn between whether it was going to rain again or not and what tyre to actually put him on, hence leaving him out.......but I might be wrong.

There's a conspiracy theory circulating that he was never going to win that title, more due to Spygate than being a rookie.........I'm on the fence.

[Derek Smith]

I think there's a significant difference between mistakes costing a driver and deliberate actions doing the same. Schumacher and Villeneuve = self-inflicted. Sliding into a crash barrier = a mistake.

MV's attack on Russell was self-inflicted.

I prefer drivers to push the limits of the car/track/tyres. It means they are trying. And sometimes failing. Ramming other competitors is cheating. No excuses.

[Teppic]

Hamilton, Baku 2021. Leaving his "brake magic" turned on at the restart, resulting in him going off at turn 1 instead of leading or slotting in to 2nd. A lot of good points lost that day when Max was out with a punctured tyre.