War with Russia
Discussion
I know there’s a Ukraine/ Russia thread running but this is about the UK / Europe.
Just recently I’ve been seeing more and more reporting from high ranking armed forces from the UK and Europe really ramping up the war rhetoric.
Only today ACM Sir Richard Knighton has warned it’s something we really need to talk about.
Last week the French counterpart General Manson said France ‘must be ready for the possibility of losing its children in a war with Russia’
Just what the f
k is happening ?
Do we really think Putin is likely to attack a NATO country or indeed several countries?
The ramping up seems to be every day now, drip feeding ‘warnings’ and setting the scene for our children to be pushed to the front.
Just recently I’ve been seeing more and more reporting from high ranking armed forces from the UK and Europe really ramping up the war rhetoric.
Only today ACM Sir Richard Knighton has warned it’s something we really need to talk about.
Last week the French counterpart General Manson said France ‘must be ready for the possibility of losing its children in a war with Russia’
Just what the f
k is happening ?Do we really think Putin is likely to attack a NATO country or indeed several countries?
The ramping up seems to be every day now, drip feeding ‘warnings’ and setting the scene for our children to be pushed to the front.
The new MI6 head seems to think we’re on that path too; Russia is pushing it all the time and will cross the line, even if some miscalculation or mishap ultimately causes it. It nearly happened with the missile lock incident a couple of years ago, that’s the closest incident I’m aware of in Putin’s time but there will have been others, or will be.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c5y9gr1jr91o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c5y9gr1jr91o
By failing to properly support Ukraine, we are allowing the war to come to us.
We had our oppurtunities, but sat on our collective hands.
I would like to think that behind the scenes there is some serious preparation going on (in terms of weapons supply/manufacturing), but I doubt we have done very much at all.
We had our oppurtunities, but sat on our collective hands.
I would like to think that behind the scenes there is some serious preparation going on (in terms of weapons supply/manufacturing), but I doubt we have done very much at all.
Square Leg said:
I know there s a Ukraine/ Russia thread running but this is about the UK / Europe.
Just recently I ve been seeing more and more reporting from high ranking armed forces from the UK and Europe really ramping up the war rhetoric.
Only today ACM Sir Richard Knighton has warned it s something we really need to talk about.
Last week the French counterpart General Manson said France must be ready for the possibility of losing its children in a war with Russia
Just what the fk is happening ?
Do we really think Putin is likely to attack a NATO country or indeed several countries?
The ramping up seems to be every day now, drip feeding warnings and setting the scene for our children to be pushed to the front.
Give it a rest, there's already enough hot air on this subject in the other threads, why do you need a separate one ?Just recently I ve been seeing more and more reporting from high ranking armed forces from the UK and Europe really ramping up the war rhetoric.
Only today ACM Sir Richard Knighton has warned it s something we really need to talk about.
Last week the French counterpart General Manson said France must be ready for the possibility of losing its children in a war with Russia
Just what the f
k is happening ?Do we really think Putin is likely to attack a NATO country or indeed several countries?
The ramping up seems to be every day now, drip feeding warnings and setting the scene for our children to be pushed to the front.
guyvert1 said:
Give it a rest, there's already enough hot air on this subject in the other threads, why do you need a separate one ?
If by some horrible misjudgement we found ourselves at war with Russia it would be a bit odd to discuss it on the Ukraine thread, IMO. Different priorities and perspectives all round.guyvert1 said:
Give it a rest, there's already enough hot air on this subject in the other threads, why do you need a separate one ?
Give it a rest?I haven’t seen ‘the other threads’ except the one specifically about Ukraine.
Unless the mods want to close this and add it to the ‘others’, you ‘give it a rest’.
FredericRobinson said:
Quantum State said:
There is absolutely no way Russia would be able to wage a conventional war with NATO.
Would NATO go to war if Russia invaded one of the Baltic states in the manner it invaded Ukraine in 2014? Seems highly unlikely the USA would be up for that at presentI think we have stopped it already, but need to be very careful over the next 5-10 years.
Some of the tactics that have been used are now burnt. So we would be vulnerable in the short term.
Its been a kind of show me yours if you show me mine kind of war between Russia and Ukraine.
If it did happen then I would think the build up would come over 2-3 years. But the war itself would probably last only weeks.
I think Russia would see it as a final last party and if they didn't get far they would just push the button.
The best thing right now is to help them out, IMO. Let Russia start to sell some gas and oil and slowly reduce sanctions. If we stick the boot in now I think it might just make things worse longer term as you would lose the Russian public and then after that they dont care what happens.
Some of the tactics that have been used are now burnt. So we would be vulnerable in the short term.
Its been a kind of show me yours if you show me mine kind of war between Russia and Ukraine.
If it did happen then I would think the build up would come over 2-3 years. But the war itself would probably last only weeks.
I think Russia would see it as a final last party and if they didn't get far they would just push the button.
The best thing right now is to help them out, IMO. Let Russia start to sell some gas and oil and slowly reduce sanctions. If we stick the boot in now I think it might just make things worse longer term as you would lose the Russian public and then after that they dont care what happens.
Quantum State said:
There is absolutely no way Russia would be able to wage a conventional war with NATO.
In my lifetime that's always been true, but we are currently in the extraordinary situation where the Kremlin is walking the US Government around on a lead and the Whitehouse is echoing their rhetoric verbatim.It seems pretty clear Trump would not meet his NATO obligations should it come to it and how well NATO performs without the US is a big question, when it's so reliant on their strength and depth.
There's also the aspect that Putin seems to be desperate for his legacy to be the man who rebuilt Russian power, and the clock is ticking. We shouldn't expect Putin to be rational. Launching a full scale invasion of Ukraine was totally irrational and he did it anyway.
The saving grace is that Ukraine are giving them such an almighty kicking that they probably don't have the capacity to open another front. Let's just hope they can finish the job.
JoshSm said:
Square Leg said:
Just what the fk is happening ?
People trying to drum up some actual budget increases instead of the phantom commitments that have been made so far.k is happening ?Everyone talked a good game about spending but all it was all talk.
Emergency Spring budget and more tax rises to keep the Ruskies at bay…
usn90 said:
I keep seeing conscription articles pop up on my feeds, as a 35 year old not a chance will I be, nor my kids.
I wouldn’t be so sure. During WW2 conscription was for everyone up to the age of 41 and then up to age 51 from 1941. That said I wouldn’t fight for our shower of a government for anything less than Russian missiles hitting the UK. In the event of that happening it wouldn’t last long enough to actually sign up anyway I’m sure.
durbster said:
Quantum State said:
There is absolutely no way Russia would be able to wage a conventional war with NATO.
In my lifetime that's always been true, but we are currently in the extraordinary situation where the Kremlin is walking the US Government around on a lead and the Whitehouse is echoing their rhetoric verbatim.It seems pretty clear Trump would not meet his NATO obligations should it come to it and how well NATO performs without the US is a big question, when it's so reliant on their strength and depth.
There's also the aspect that Putin seems to be desperate for his legacy to be the man who rebuilt Russian power, and the clock is ticking. We shouldn't expect Putin to be rational. Launching a full scale invasion of Ukraine was totally irrational and he did it anyway.
The saving grace is that Ukraine are giving them such an almighty kicking that they probably don't have the capacity to open another front. Let's just hope they can finish the job.
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