Trump class battleship
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Interesting - ‘big’ gun surface ships, 10 to 25 in number. Pie in the sky?
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Hugo Stiglitz said:
It will be obsolete before its launched. The way autonomous; long range drones and highly capable drone subs will be where it's needed firmly in its timeline.
Hyper sonic missiles alone are a big fear already.
How are drones going to get hundreds of miles out to sea, and what makes them better than missiles? Directed energy weapons will make light work of slow fragile drones let alone existing CIWS.Hyper sonic missiles alone are a big fear already.
Same with subs. What makes a sub with drones any more capable than a sub with torpedos?
Hypersonics are over rated. Blinded by their own plasma on the atmosphere, and not easy to manoeuvre towards a moving target.
98elise said:
Hugo Stiglitz said:
It will be obsolete before its launched. The way autonomous; long range drones and highly capable drone subs will be where it's needed firmly in its timeline.
Hyper sonic missiles alone are a big fear already.
How are drones going to get hundreds of miles out to sea, and what makes them better than missiles? Directed energy weapons will make light work of slow fragile drones let alone existing CIWS.Hyper sonic missiles alone are a big fear already.
Same with subs. What makes a sub with drones any more capable than a sub with torpedos?
HocusPocus said:
98elise said:
Hugo Stiglitz said:
It will be obsolete before its launched. The way autonomous; long range drones and highly capable drone subs will be where it's needed firmly in its timeline.
Hyper sonic missiles alone are a big fear already.
How are drones going to get hundreds of miles out to sea, and what makes them better than missiles? Directed energy weapons will make light work of slow fragile drones let alone existing CIWS.Hyper sonic missiles alone are a big fear already.
Same with subs. What makes a sub with drones any more capable than a sub with torpedos?
Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
98elise said:
They have a short development cycle because they are simple. That also makes them slow, short range and vulnerable.
Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
Slow, cheap and short range. But in quantity.1,000 of them. With a couple of 'proper' missiles hiding among them.Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
98elise said:
They have a short development cycle because they are simple. That also makes them slow, short range and vulnerable.
Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
The term these days is One Way Attack Drones, and the difference between them and missiles didn't seem to be that big. The point is that they're cheap, they don't send one, they send dozens. Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
RizzoTheRat said:
98elise said:
They have a short development cycle because they are simple. That also makes them slow, short range and vulnerable.
Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
The term these days is One Way Attack Drones, and the difference between them and missiles didn't seem to be that big. The point is that they're cheap, they don't send one, they send dozens. Imagine how good a "drone" would be against a ship if it was long range, fast, stealthy and packed a big punch. We could call them missiles
98elise said:
How do they get close in the first place? Cheap means limited range, as does the reliance on fibre optics to avoid jamming. If they did get through what enables them to resist armour piercing rounds, or directed energy weapons?
We already have had Predator drones for years. With war comes leaps in development. How far off are we from long range drones that have jamming tech and are hypersonic? Low-profile in the waterline marine fastboats with high power laser-tech?
If you dont have any human element how do you defend against kamikaze drones attacks?
Hugo Stiglitz said:
98elise said:
How do they get close in the first place? Cheap means limited range, as does the reliance on fibre optics to avoid jamming. If they did get through what enables them to resist armour piercing rounds, or directed energy weapons?
We already have had Predator drones for years. With war comes leaps in development. How far off are we from long range drones that have jamming tech and are hypersonic? Low-profile in the waterline marine fastboats with high power laser-tech?
If you dont have any human element how do you defend against kamikaze drones attacks?
trevalvole said:
He's been watching Under Siege, hasn't he?
Who wouldn't want a main battleship to play with, especially if you aren't personally picking up the tab?
tbf... it's pretty useful for the US. their primary use for all these things are big phallic bits of military kit to impose their will on weaker 3rd world countries so it's pretty much well in line with their usual modus operandi I suppose....Who wouldn't want a main battleship to play with, especially if you aren't personally picking up the tab?
98elise said:
How do they get close in the first place? Cheap means limited range, as does the reliance on fibre optics to avoid jamming. If they did get through what enables them to resist armour piercing rounds, or directed energy weapons?
Shahed drones have a range of about 2500km. yes they're slower and easier to shoot down than a supersonic missile, but for the cost of one Onyx, they can send dozens of Shaheds(edited for dumb autocorrect).
Edited by RizzoTheRat on Tuesday 23 December 16:16
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