Replacement for Disco 5
Discussion
Good Morning All,
My wife has a Tesla Model 3, which we financed through our business. We also have 2017 Disco 5 on that we financed personally. Both vehicles are coming to the end of their deals. The Tesla is going back, that's booked in and so now we are looking for a new family vehicle to replace the Disco 5 as I do not think its worth paying off the balloon payment for a 2017 car. (although that is an option)
The replacement will be my wife's daily car, plus it needs to do the annual ski trip to the Alps. The Disco has been brilliant at this over the years, the boot space is a game changer.
Our original plan was to get through the business one of the new PHEV Range Rover or Range Rover Sport, which have pretty good BIK currently, but rising to 19% in 2029. With that in mind, we are now considering a purchase personally of a couple of years old car.
If we were to purchase it ourselves, then I wouldn't want a PHEV. We are currently looking at 2-3 year old examples of the following...
Range Rover Sport
Discovery 5
Range Rover
Porsche Macan
Volvo XC 60/90
I have not added the Defender as I already have a commercial Defender for work.
We had previously looked at the new vehicles at our local LR dealer. So now are going back to look at other options they have in approved used. I just wondered if anyone else had looked at a similar range of vehicles and what you decided to go for in the end.
Finally, I am sure some would say, if you like the Disco 5, just get a newer version of that. Part of me agrees with that, but they are pretty much identical in how they look from 2017 to 2023 and it doesnt feel like you are getting something new.
My wife has a Tesla Model 3, which we financed through our business. We also have 2017 Disco 5 on that we financed personally. Both vehicles are coming to the end of their deals. The Tesla is going back, that's booked in and so now we are looking for a new family vehicle to replace the Disco 5 as I do not think its worth paying off the balloon payment for a 2017 car. (although that is an option)
The replacement will be my wife's daily car, plus it needs to do the annual ski trip to the Alps. The Disco has been brilliant at this over the years, the boot space is a game changer.
Our original plan was to get through the business one of the new PHEV Range Rover or Range Rover Sport, which have pretty good BIK currently, but rising to 19% in 2029. With that in mind, we are now considering a purchase personally of a couple of years old car.
If we were to purchase it ourselves, then I wouldn't want a PHEV. We are currently looking at 2-3 year old examples of the following...
Range Rover Sport
Discovery 5
Range Rover
Porsche Macan
Volvo XC 60/90
I have not added the Defender as I already have a commercial Defender for work.
We had previously looked at the new vehicles at our local LR dealer. So now are going back to look at other options they have in approved used. I just wondered if anyone else had looked at a similar range of vehicles and what you decided to go for in the end.
Finally, I am sure some would say, if you like the Disco 5, just get a newer version of that. Part of me agrees with that, but they are pretty much identical in how they look from 2017 to 2023 and it doesnt feel like you are getting something new.
andyb28 said:
jonathan_roberts said:
A Model Y AWD LR financed through your business would be my option.
Thanks for the suggestion, but thats not a car I would consider driving to the Alps in. EDIT: Although it would make my wife happy as she loves Teslas.
A friend has a D5 D300 HSE R dynamic and it’s a lovely car.
Surprisingly fast for its size but still can nudge 40mpg on a cruise.
His is on the 22” wheels though and tyres are over £300 a corner which can be a sore one if you need to change all 4 at once.
It’s given him no issues and he’s very happy with it.
It’s what I would pick from that list.
But they are colour and spec dependent on being a nice car.
A base model in a bad colour looks awful.
Surprisingly fast for its size but still can nudge 40mpg on a cruise.
His is on the 22” wheels though and tyres are over £300 a corner which can be a sore one if you need to change all 4 at once.
It’s given him no issues and he’s very happy with it.
It’s what I would pick from that list.
But they are colour and spec dependent on being a nice car.
A base model in a bad colour looks awful.
We had a Disco 5 SD6 with 300bhp and really liked it. Unfortunately it developed an appetite for batteries and the fault was only traced long after we traded it.
We looked at various as replacements and nearly did what Harry Metcalfe did, seriously considering the Maserati. Unfortunately the interior was just a bit too nice as a rough-and-tumble daily do-it-all.
After the space and mile-eating abilities of the D5 in the end we went for the Range Rover Sport which is very similar in size, the 250bhp V6 diesel. We’ve had it nearly two years and it’s brilliant.
We looked at various as replacements and nearly did what Harry Metcalfe did, seriously considering the Maserati. Unfortunately the interior was just a bit too nice as a rough-and-tumble daily do-it-all.
After the space and mile-eating abilities of the D5 in the end we went for the Range Rover Sport which is very similar in size, the 250bhp V6 diesel. We’ve had it nearly two years and it’s brilliant.
We're midway through a similar list. Basically the debate for us has been whether an X5 or a Range Rover are actually better than a Tesla Model Y, all things considered. I haven't got myself convinced either way yet, I think they are all good cars and its a close run thing. Will do a few test drives in January and then decide.
I almost persuaded myself the other day to buy the Model Y and then get either a L322 or Disco 4 for when needed. We live rurally and so it would be useful to have the option between both types of car for different trips.
I almost persuaded myself the other day to buy the Model Y and then get either a L322 or Disco 4 for when needed. We live rurally and so it would be useful to have the option between both types of car for different trips.
andyb28 said:
If we were to purchase it ourselves, then I wouldn't want a PHEV. We are currently looking at 2-3 year old examples of the following...
Not driven the others, but the PHEV XC60 is way better than the mild hybrid. Way more power and the electric means it actually accelerates when you put your foot down rather than half an hour later when the gearbox has sorted itself out. I wouldn't pick an automatic petrol over a PHEV.A fellow Disco 5 owner here, albeit a MY22 D300 R-Dynamic HSE.
We’ve had ours for two years and 15k miles at this point. About to head to Austria for skiing in Feb and again for summer holidays. I can’t think of anything I’d rather do the trip in to be honest.
It’s horrifically expensive to run (it having a ridiculous appetite for tyres) and I’m a little worried about the servicing coming up. But 40mpg on a run and an overall economy of c 28mpg in a lot of driving skewed towards local short trips, it’s epic for our family of 5.
We’re about to pay off the finance on it shortly and I’ve been looking at whether to do that or try something else but TBH, it’s been virtually faultless, runs like a dream, comfy, carrie’s everything we need with ease so I’ll probably just run it into the ground over the next 5yrs or so since the only thing i really want to replace it with is another one of the same or a D350 Metropolitan Edition but then we’re talking £35k cost to change. Unfortunately it’s not worth that.
We’ve had ours for two years and 15k miles at this point. About to head to Austria for skiing in Feb and again for summer holidays. I can’t think of anything I’d rather do the trip in to be honest.
It’s horrifically expensive to run (it having a ridiculous appetite for tyres) and I’m a little worried about the servicing coming up. But 40mpg on a run and an overall economy of c 28mpg in a lot of driving skewed towards local short trips, it’s epic for our family of 5.
We’re about to pay off the finance on it shortly and I’ve been looking at whether to do that or try something else but TBH, it’s been virtually faultless, runs like a dream, comfy, carrie’s everything we need with ease so I’ll probably just run it into the ground over the next 5yrs or so since the only thing i really want to replace it with is another one of the same or a D350 Metropolitan Edition but then we’re talking £35k cost to change. Unfortunately it’s not worth that.
B5mike said:
andyb28 said:
jonathan_roberts said:
A Model Y AWD LR financed through your business would be my option.
Thanks for the suggestion, but thats not a car I would consider driving to the Alps in. EDIT: Although it would make my wife happy as she loves Teslas.
If you want to have "one last hurrah" then fine, but my sister has a new Q7 3.0l tdi something and after being proudly driven round in it this week by my brother in law, TBH it feels positively agricultural compared to an EV drivetrain. None of the cars you are looking at are particularly "last hurrah worthy" though, so I would be inclined to take the tax benefits of the EV which is 99% of your driving, and for the 1% of your driving when you go to the alps, prepare to spend 1.5 hours extra on on the journey there.
jonathan_roberts said:
Not trying to persuade you, but I live in Austria and have a Model Y AWD that I also drove to Bulgaria and back in this year which was my longest trip at 1200km in one go, there's no reason these days that an EV won't do everything you want to do, in particular the Tesla. My employees all drive the new Juniper which is even better and has far better range than my 2022 model.
If you want to have "one last hurrah" then fine, but my sister has a new Q7 3.0l tdi something and after being proudly driven round in it this week by my brother in law, TBH it feels positively agricultural compared to an EV drivetrain. None of the cars you are looking at are particularly "last hurrah worthy" though, so I would be inclined to take the tax benefits of the EV which is 99% of your driving, and for the 1% of your driving when you go to the alps, prepare to spend 1.5 hours extra on on the journey there.
+1If you want to have "one last hurrah" then fine, but my sister has a new Q7 3.0l tdi something and after being proudly driven round in it this week by my brother in law, TBH it feels positively agricultural compared to an EV drivetrain. None of the cars you are looking at are particularly "last hurrah worthy" though, so I would be inclined to take the tax benefits of the EV which is 99% of your driving, and for the 1% of your driving when you go to the alps, prepare to spend 1.5 hours extra on on the journey there.
I’ve also driven down to the Alpes from the UK in a Model Y AWD and it was a pleasant experience. Loads of Tesla Superchargers across France made it effortless.
uktrailmonster said:
I ve also driven down to the Alpes from the UK in a Model Y AWD and it was a pleasant experience. Loads of Tesla Superchargers across France made it effortless.
For me the thing that is giving me pause on having the Model Y as my main car is not the long distance trips. I'm presuming a Model Y is fine nowadays for getting up to the Highlands or down to a French ski resort.It's more the single-width lanes with unpaved (+ very muddy!) passing places in the countryside where I live in the West Country. Deep mud, standing water etc. Our Nissan Leaf runabout with Crossclimate 2 tyres just about deals with it, but for the main car I'm not sure whether the Model Y quite gives me enough confidence. There are plenty of Land Rovers knocking about around here (and Suzukis, RAV 4 etc) and I can see why. Hence being in a simliar dilemma to the OP
tiger roll said:
For me the thing that is giving me pause on having the Model Y as my main car is not the long distance trips. I'm presuming a Model Y is fine nowadays for getting up to the Highlands or down to a French ski resort.
It's more the single-width lanes with unpaved (+ very muddy!) passing places in the countryside where I live in the West Country. Deep mud, standing water etc. Our Nissan Leaf runabout with Crossclimate 2 tyres just about deals with it, but for the main car I'm not sure whether the Model Y quite gives me enough confidence. There are plenty of Land Rovers knocking about around here (and Suzukis, RAV 4 etc) and I can see why. Hence being in a simliar dilemma to the OP
With the right tyres they do pretty well. Ground clearance is pretty decent and electric AWD ensures decent traction. They cope very well with deep standing water too. Our last major flooding saw a lot of drowned ICE cars and our Model Y was just fine. Mine sees quite a bit of single track action and has never been an issue. It's more the single-width lanes with unpaved (+ very muddy!) passing places in the countryside where I live in the West Country. Deep mud, standing water etc. Our Nissan Leaf runabout with Crossclimate 2 tyres just about deals with it, but for the main car I'm not sure whether the Model Y quite gives me enough confidence. There are plenty of Land Rovers knocking about around here (and Suzukis, RAV 4 etc) and I can see why. Hence being in a simliar dilemma to the OP
tiger roll said:
uktrailmonster said:
I ve also driven down to the Alpes from the UK in a Model Y AWD and it was a pleasant experience. Loads of Tesla Superchargers across France made it effortless.
For me the thing that is giving me pause on having the Model Y as my main car is not the long distance trips. I'm presuming a Model Y is fine nowadays for getting up to the Highlands or down to a French ski resort.It's more the single-width lanes with unpaved (+ very muddy!) passing places in the countryside where I live in the West Country. Deep mud, standing water etc. Our Nissan Leaf runabout with Crossclimate 2 tyres just about deals with it, but for the main car I'm not sure whether the Model Y quite gives me enough confidence. There are plenty of Land Rovers knocking about around here (and Suzukis, RAV 4 etc) and I can see why. Hence being in a simliar dilemma to the OP
In terms of traction, we have to put winter tyres on here from November-April 14th. Absolutely great traction with the AWD system and winter tires. On "summer" tyres you notice quickly when its time to put the winters on. I would suggest in England to use an all season compound. On the subject of puddles I often speed up through deep puddles because there is absolutely no swamping risk and my daughters find it funny. I am sure at one point i will come a cropper and the wheel will be ripped off in a pot hole but ill take my chances.
Frankychops said:
It s not about if you can drive to the alps in model y, if you had a better option, you d take that. All of the OP s suggestions are better options than a model y. That s before you get into the politics of musk.
It’s really about the overall usage. Trips to the Alpes are likely to be one-off annual events. So it doesn’t have to be the very best tool for that one job. The D300 is a good engine and works well in the D5 or RRS. I would go for a 2023 car which still has terrain response on a physical switch. There is a good main dealer choice used for mid £50-mid 60k. I tour a lot in Europe and have seen electric cars stranded in hotel car parks in the morning when I am leaving - because the charger didn’t charge overnight. I have run a PHEV, but I am put off by the complexity as they age.All nice cars OP - enjoy choosing and using!
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