Labour don't want to see deprived kids succeed
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https://archive.ph/2026.01.03-063321/https://www.t...
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
Slow.Patrol said:
https://archive.ph/2026.01.03-063321/https://www.t...
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
I switched off when someone said “It’s a Christian country.”Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
As soon as someone states that, there’s a clear agenda at play.
Slow.Patrol said:
https://archive.ph/2026.01.03-063321/https://www.t...
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
Makes a lot of sense to me. Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
My daughter's school recently had the entire year's A Level Art results downgraded at the instruction of the government inspection team. The logic seemed to be was that the school was continually producing large number of high level grades and so this deserved to be "corrected". The teachers were livid as was my daughter. It went to appeal and much of the "correction" was subsequently reversed. And my daughter subsequently received the A star she was due.
This had Bridget Phillipson all over it. Why bother improving standards at poor schools when you can just chop the good grades at the excellent schools?
This kind of loony left group think will do nothing to improve the prospects of kids at poor schools. Quite the reverse, in fact.
f
k them and their anti-aspirational victim-centred nonsense.oyster said:
Slow.Patrol said:
https://archive.ph/2026.01.03-063321/https://www.t...
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
I switched off when someone said It s a Christian country. Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
oyster said:
I switched off when someone said It s a Christian country.
As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Why do you think that?As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
At the last census, we are still majority Christians.
Are you one of the "sky fairy" people?
I'm agnostic, but I don't look down on people who follow a religion.
oyster said:
I switched off when someone said It s a Christian country.
As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Of course we are a Christian country. We were built predominantly by Christians, with Christian values. We celebrate Christian holidays and the majority of our population still identify as 'Christian', whether actively practicing or not. Our head of state is also the head of a Christian church.As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Staggering that some find offence or 'an agenda' with that.
WH16 said:
oyster said:
I switched off when someone said It s a Christian country.
As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Of course we are a Christian country. We were built predominantly by Christians, with Christian values. We celebrate Christian holidays and the majority of our population still identify as 'Christian', whether actively practicing or not. Our head of state is also the head of a Christian church.As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Staggering that some find offence or 'an agenda' with that.
P.s. i don't find "offence" in it at all. However I get the impression that some people in the UYK use "Christianity" in the same way they use the Flag of St George.
WH16 said:
Of course we are a Christian country. We were built predominantly by Christians, with Christian values. We celebrate Christian holidays and the majority of our population still identify as 'Christian', whether actively practicing or not. Our head of state is also the head of a Christian church.
Staggering that some find offence or 'an agenda' with that.
I often find it comes from people who say “what is British culture” as if it’s so ephemeral that we can just erase it with no loss. Staggering that some find offence or 'an agenda' with that.
AC43 said:
My daughter's school recently had the entire year's A Level Art results downgraded at the instruction of the government inspection team. The logic seemed to be was that the school was continually producing large number of high level grades and so this deserved to be "corrected". The teachers were livid as was my daughter. It went to appeal and much of the "correction" was subsequently reversed. And my daughter subsequently received the A star she was due.
Presumably there is some subjectivity in the marking of art A-level - was the grade assessment done by the school or independently? If the marking is by teachers, a school with anomalously high grades could have an unusually good intake, unusually good teachers, or unusually generous marking, seems reasonable that attempts should be made to find out which?Countdown said:
What are the "Christian values" that the Country was built on? How many people regularly go to church? How many went to Church over Xmas?
P.s. i don't find "offence" in it at all. However I get the impression that some people in the UYK use "Christianity" in the same way they use the Flag of St George.
Christian values are the nearly 2000 years of learned history and behaviour since it was introduced in the 2nd century AD to England P.s. i don't find "offence" in it at all. However I get the impression that some people in the UYK use "Christianity" in the same way they use the Flag of St George.
It's everywhere, in everything and the basis of everything
Even those who profess not to be Christian but are indigenous are actually imbued with Christian values
Slow.Patrol said:
https://archive.ph/2026.01.03-063321/https://www.t...
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
Yet she labels all kids that go to state school and dont follow her doctrine as failures. Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
Earthdweller said:
Countdown said:
What are the "Christian values" that the Country was built on? How many people regularly go to church? How many went to Church over Xmas?
P.s. i don't find "offence" in it at all. However I get the impression that some people in the UYK use "Christianity" in the same way they use the Flag of St George.
Christian values are the nearly 2000 years of learned history and behaviour since it was introduced in the 2nd century AD to England P.s. i don't find "offence" in it at all. However I get the impression that some people in the UYK use "Christianity" in the same way they use the Flag of St George.
It's everywhere, in everything and the basis of everything
Even those who profess not to be Christian but are indigenous are actually imbued with Christian values
Earthdweller said:
Christian values are the nearly 2000 years of learned history and behaviour since it was introduced in the 2nd century AD to England
It's everywhere, in everything and the basis of everything
Even those who profess not to be Christian but are indigenous are actually imbued with Christian values
So what am I (as a lapsed muslim) not doing what I would be doing if I was Christian ? If it's everywhere in everything, it should be fairly easy to point out.It's everywhere, in everything and the basis of everything
Even those who profess not to be Christian but are indigenous are actually imbued with Christian values
To add, our values as a society are evolving continuously. What was considered "good Christian behaviour" in 200AD probably isn't "good Christian behaviour" in 2025.
WH16 said:
oyster said:
I switched off when someone said It s a Christian country.
As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Of course we are a Christian country. We were built predominantly by Christians, with Christian values. We celebrate Christian holidays and the majority of our population still identify as 'Christian', whether actively practicing or not. Our head of state is also the head of a Christian church.As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Staggering that some find offence or 'an agenda' with that.
Wills2 said:
WH16 said:
oyster said:
I switched off when someone said It s a Christian country.
As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Of course we are a Christian country. We were built predominantly by Christians, with Christian values. We celebrate Christian holidays and the majority of our population still identify as 'Christian', whether actively practicing or not. Our head of state is also the head of a Christian church.As soon as someone states that, there s a clear agenda at play.
Staggering that some find offence or 'an agenda' with that.
otolith said:
AC43 said:
My daughter's school recently had the entire year's A Level Art results downgraded at the instruction of the government inspection team. The logic seemed to be was that the school was continually producing large number of high level grades and so this deserved to be "corrected". The teachers were livid as was my daughter. It went to appeal and much of the "correction" was subsequently reversed. And my daughter subsequently received the A star she was due.
Presumably there is some subjectivity in the marking of art A-level - was the grade assessment done by the school or independently? If the marking is by teachers, a school with anomalously high grades could have an unusually good intake, unusually good teachers, or unusually generous marking, seems reasonable that attempts should be made to find out which?Luckily, my daughter didn't need that particular grade to get into her uni of choice but others weren't so lucky.
Anyway, the teachers have created a centre of excellence which is always very grating to a certain type of left wing hand-wringer.
AbbeyNormal said:
Slow.Patrol said:
https://archive.ph/2026.01.03-063321/https://www.t...
Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
Yet she labels all kids that go to state school and dont follow her doctrine as failures. Interesting article in the Telegraph and I agree with a lot of what she was saying.
I remember my Dad saying to me when I was young "victims rarely achieve anything". My Dad was profoundly deaf for most of his adult life and refused to acknowledge that he had a disability.
If we keep labelling kids, then they will be satisfied with failure.
AC43 said:
This had Bridget Phillipson all over it. Why bother improving standards at poor schools when you can just chop the good grades at the excellent schools?
This kind of loony left group think will do nothing to improve the prospects of kids at poor schools. Quite the reverse, in fact.
fk them and their anti-aspirational victim-centred nonsense.
The difference between equality and the more recent concept of equity - some people want everyone to get the same chance, and some people want everyone to get the same outcome.This kind of loony left group think will do nothing to improve the prospects of kids at poor schools. Quite the reverse, in fact.
f
k them and their anti-aspirational victim-centred nonsense.Weirdly enough this seems to be a favourite idea among people who were lucky with opportunity but have no actual ability.
JoshSm said:
AC43 said:
This had Bridget Phillipson all over it. Why bother improving standards at poor schools when you can just chop the good grades at the excellent schools?
This kind of loony left group think will do nothing to improve the prospects of kids at poor schools. Quite the reverse, in fact.
fk them and their anti-aspirational victim-centred nonsense.
The difference between equality and the more recent concept of equity - some people want everyone to get the same chance, and some people want everyone to get the same outcome.This kind of loony left group think will do nothing to improve the prospects of kids at poor schools. Quite the reverse, in fact.
f
k them and their anti-aspirational victim-centred nonsense.Weirdly enough this seems to be a favourite idea among people who were lucky with opportunity but have no actual ability.
AC43 said:
otolith said:
AC43 said:
My daughter's school recently had the entire year's A Level Art results downgraded at the instruction of the government inspection team. The logic seemed to be was that the school was continually producing large number of high level grades and so this deserved to be "corrected". The teachers were livid as was my daughter. It went to appeal and much of the "correction" was subsequently reversed. And my daughter subsequently received the A star she was due.
Presumably there is some subjectivity in the marking of art A-level - was the grade assessment done by the school or independently? If the marking is by teachers, a school with anomalously high grades could have an unusually good intake, unusually good teachers, or unusually generous marking, seems reasonable that attempts should be made to find out which?Luckily, my daughter didn't need that particular grade to get into her uni of choice but others weren't so lucky.
Anyway, the teachers have created a centre of excellence which is always very grating to a certain type of left wing hand-wringer.
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