Nissan Navara speed limits maths check please
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Hi all. Apologies for what is probably a regular topic. I’m after a quick maths check. My daughter has bought a 2015 Navara for horsey and farm duties and I just want to check speed limits for her.
It is V5 classed as a Light Good Vehicle for taxation class but with body type as pick up. However as I understand this is for taxation purposes. For speed limits, it is the Unladen Weight, which is the decider, and must be below 2040kg for the 70/70/60 mph to apply. If 2040 kg or more, it is 70/60/50 mph.
As it is a double cab and Nissan list the model as Kerb Weight at 2085 kg, this includes fuel at either 90% or 100%, depending on where I look, which is 80 litres capacity. Thus to get to the Unladen Weight, I can deduct approx 66 kg from the Kerb Weight to give the Unladen Weight of 2019 kg. As this is below 2040 kg, car speed limits apply.
Do all agree or am I vastly over thinking this? We have a Ford Ranger at work, which is a Police Staff role and none of D&C’s finest has ever discussed speed limits so I get the feeling that even the traffic lot don’t really know the exact detail!
Thanks in advance.
It is V5 classed as a Light Good Vehicle for taxation class but with body type as pick up. However as I understand this is for taxation purposes. For speed limits, it is the Unladen Weight, which is the decider, and must be below 2040kg for the 70/70/60 mph to apply. If 2040 kg or more, it is 70/60/50 mph.
As it is a double cab and Nissan list the model as Kerb Weight at 2085 kg, this includes fuel at either 90% or 100%, depending on where I look, which is 80 litres capacity. Thus to get to the Unladen Weight, I can deduct approx 66 kg from the Kerb Weight to give the Unladen Weight of 2019 kg. As this is below 2040 kg, car speed limits apply.
Do all agree or am I vastly over thinking this? We have a Ford Ranger at work, which is a Police Staff role and none of D&C’s finest has ever discussed speed limits so I get the feeling that even the traffic lot don’t really know the exact detail!
Thanks in advance.
It depends on what the vehicle plate says. But based on info kerb weight includes fuel weight allowance for driver, spare wheel if any tools jack for changing wheel. Manufacturers use it as a guide so can work out possible load capacity.
So in that case 70/70/60.
However back office camera bods might just look at kerb weight and think gotcha. Which is an arse frankly, a dog's breakfast that needs sorting.
So in that case 70/70/60.
However back office camera bods might just look at kerb weight and think gotcha. Which is an arse frankly, a dog's breakfast that needs sorting.
It was always dual purpose vehicles which benefitted from car limits.
Basically that meant a twin cab pick up with 4WD had the higher limits, there were also some figures given in the regs regarding amount of window space behind the driver, which put extra cabs into a grey area.
If you had a single cab or a no 4WD then van limits applied.
the below copied and pasted from the relevant act Road vehicles contruction and use 1986
dual-purpose vehicle
a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either
(i)
is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii)
satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely
(a)
the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b)
the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must
(i)
be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii)
be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c)
the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.
Our mk6 Hilux benfitted ok and i would expect the Navara to do also.
In practice i see vans with vans limits being driven in two ways only, either at tractor speed all over the road or at warp speed by the devil himself, most of the latter don't seem to bat an eyelid when theres a camera van about.
Basically that meant a twin cab pick up with 4WD had the higher limits, there were also some figures given in the regs regarding amount of window space behind the driver, which put extra cabs into a grey area.
If you had a single cab or a no 4WD then van limits applied.
the below copied and pasted from the relevant act Road vehicles contruction and use 1986
dual-purpose vehicle
a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either
(i)
is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or
(ii)
satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely
(a)
the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;
(b)
the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must
(i)
be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and
(ii)
be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and
(c)
the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.
Our mk6 Hilux benfitted ok and i would expect the Navara to do also.
In practice i see vans with vans limits being driven in two ways only, either at tractor speed all over the road or at warp speed by the devil himself, most of the latter don't seem to bat an eyelid when theres a camera van about.
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