McLaren warranty repairs over the last five years ...

[ChrisW.]

Herewith that the best way to avoid expensive repairs .... is to use our cars regularly !

(Why wouldn't you ?)



P.S. The cost of a Porsche 991.2 GT3RS air filter is £500 as part of a £3000+ major service ....

[supersport]

Amen to that.

[TBCTBC]

It's not at all surprising the brand he's built maintaining Mclarens with just doing things well, without pissing off your customers.

[Wheelspinning]

I sold my 650 spider 5.5yrs ago with 31k miles and it was an absolute corker and ultra reliable.

I sold my 675 spider 6 months ago with 16k miles, again ultra reliable but the amount of enquiries that thought 16k miles was far too high was incredible...average of 2k a year 'high mileage'....

These are built to be used like every modern supercar, and its no coincidence the problematic cars are the garage queen's.

[ex-devonpaul]

Wheelspinning said:

I sold my 650 spider 5.5yrs ago with 31k miles and it was an absolute corker and ultra reliable.

I sold my 675 spider 6 months ago with 16k miles, again ultra reliable but the amount of enquiries that thought 16k miles was far too high was incredible...average of 2k a year 'high mileage'....

These are built to be used like every modern supercar, and its no coincidence the problematic cars are the garage queen's.

You can't win - I was selling a car that had only done 1500 miles in 2 years (on was Covid) and someone said "but that's less then 3 miles a day". "Yup", I said "I took it out every day, regardless of weather, ran it just long enough to get everything damp in the axhaust and then put it away wet.". They didn't buy it.

[TTB]

Wheelspinning said:

I sold my 650 spider 5.5yrs ago with 31k miles and it was an absolute corker and ultra reliable.

I sold my 675 spider 6 months ago with 16k miles, again ultra reliable but the amount of enquiries that thought 16k miles was far too high was incredible...average of 2k a year 'high mileage'....

These are built to be used like every modern supercar, and its no coincidence the problematic cars are the garage queen's.

I have to be honest in that I don't understand why so many buyers are hung up on mileage with supercars.
I recently saw a 650 that had 42k on the clock (think it was a 2015) and someone said it'd be a struggle to sell due to the mileage - but it's 4k a year which is peanuts if you actually want to use/enjoy your car. I personally also see that as well run and more likely glitch free.

It also just seems to be a UK thing as Euro owners don't have these hang ups. Why is low mileage seen as so important?

[Streetbeat]

TTB said:

I have to be honest in that I don't understand why so many buyers are hung up on mileage with supercars.
I recently saw a 650 that had 42k on the clock (think it was a 2015) and someone said it'd be a struggle to sell due to the mileage - but it's 4k a year which is peanuts if you actually want to use/enjoy your car. I personally also see that as well run and more likely glitch free.

It also just seems to be a UK thing as Euro owners don't have these hang ups. Why is low mileage seen as so important?

I think there are two camps.

The ones who think low miles means higher values and ones who still think its the 80/90"s and suoercars are fragile and more miles means it will explode into a thousand pieces any second.

[TISPKJ]

Streetbeat said:

TTB said:

I have to be honest in that I don't understand why so many buyers are hung up on mileage with supercars.
I recently saw a 650 that had 42k on the clock (think it was a 2015) and someone said it'd be a struggle to sell due to the mileage - but it's 4k a year which is peanuts if you actually want to use/enjoy your car. I personally also see that as well run and more likely glitch free.

It also just seems to be a UK thing as Euro owners don't have these hang ups. Why is low mileage seen as so important?

I think there are two camps.

The ones who think low miles means higher values and ones who still think its the 80/90"s and suoercars are fragile and more miles means it will explode into a thousand pieces any second.

If you had 2 cars side by side, both having been inspected by V or Thorney, one with 40k miles and one with 15k miles, we would all choose the one owner full history low mile car.

[belfry]

How much more expensive is the 15k mile car in this example?

[650S]

From what I see, maybe just 5 to 10%

[MDL111]

from my limited experience c. 30-40k miles is a tricky point to buy. I'd rather buy lower miles or higher miles [with supporting invoices] if I have the choice / availability of cars. Mainly because at that mileage there might be quite a few wear and tear repairs coming over the next c. 15-20k miles. Obviously every car is different but on cars I bought at that mileage I then had to replace stuff like suspension components, exhaust manifolds, exhaust backbox, cats, alternator etc - so stuff that won't show up in an inspection (unless it is already buggered).

Edit: Partly I am sure it is also driven by age - the cars I bought were c. 8-10 years old at the time of purchase. I assume a 2 year old car at that mileage might well be different as might a 20 year old car.

Edited by MDL111 on Wednesday 14th January 20:12

[TTB]

TISPKJ said:

Streetbeat said:

TTB said:

I have to be honest in that I don't understand why so many buyers are hung up on mileage with supercars.
I recently saw a 650 that had 42k on the clock (think it was a 2015) and someone said it'd be a struggle to sell due to the mileage - but it's 4k a year which is peanuts if you actually want to use/enjoy your car. I personally also see that as well run and more likely glitch free.

It also just seems to be a UK thing as Euro owners don't have these hang ups. Why is low mileage seen as so important?

I think there are two camps.

The ones who think low miles means higher values and ones who still think its the 80/90"s and suoercars are fragile and more miles means it will explode into a thousand pieces any second.

If you had 2 cars side by side, both having been inspected by V or Thorney, one with 40k miles and one with 15k miles, we would all choose the one owner full history low mile car.

I hear you and myself would likely opt for the lower mileage assuming prices are the same but it's more the fact so many dealers and potential purchases seem to suck their teeth when anything more than peanut mileage is on a car.

[supersport]

I don’t get the whole mileage thing, I’m not scared of mileage and I bought my cars to drive.

It seems McLarens do more miles than other brands which is great, and I’m fairly confident that use helps them be less flakey so would rather a used amount of mileage rather unused.

Mine has been pretty good in three years and 7k miles I’ve had it. I got a new toy last year so it saw less miles, but enough miles.

[Streetbeat]

TISPKJ said:

If you had 2 cars side by side, both having been inspected by V or Thorney, one with 40k miles and one with 15k miles, we would all choose the one owner full history low mile car.

40k isnt average mileage though is it, i think your missing the point.

[TISPKJ]

Streetbeat said:

40k isnt average mileage though is it, i think your missing the point.

I was using the 42k miles quoted above.

But rightly or wrongly all else being equal nearly all of us would choose the one owner lower mile car as the toy to have in the garage, if you were going to use as a daily then that's a different story.

You also have to have one eye on resale, whilst many say "its a keeper' none of us know what's round the corner financially or health wise, none of these expensive toys are an easy sell so why make it more difficult.

At the end of the day, its my money as it is yours, if I choose to sit and look at mine and you choose to rag yours around in this crap weather we are both right.

[Bispal]

TISPKJ said:

Streetbeat said:

40k isnt average mileage though is it, i think your missing the point.

I was using the 42k miles quoted above.

But rightly or wrongly all else being equal nearly all of us would choose the one owner lower mile car as the toy to have in the garage, if you were going to use as a daily then that's a different story.

You also have to have one eye on resale, whilst many say "its a keeper' none of us know what's round the corner financially or health wise, none of these expensive toys are an easy sell so why make it more difficult.

At the end of the day, its my money as it is yours, if I choose to sit and look at mine and you choose to rag yours around in this crap weather we are both right.

Hi Paul, you are right. A low mileage car always has inherent value. You can spend some money and fix up a low mileage car if it has issues and usually get your money back. With a high miles basket case you are pouring money down the drain, its always high miles and you can't change that.

I've always gone for the lower mileage cars and with the exception of Porsches, has worked out well. I have also had some high miles daily's. A 525i touring with 140k miles on the clock that I paid £2,500 for and never put a foot wrong in 2 years and even took me on a 4k mile tour of Spain. And a 170k mile Volvo 740 Wentworth that cost me £950 and was like new. So well looked after. Again 2 years and no issues. I also recently had a 11k mile 1999 BMW E46 330i manual. Like a crazy person I put 6k miles on it in a year. It was amazing to drive / own a 25 yo as new car. My 675LT was bought with 4k miles at 4 years old and has had no issues in the 6 years I have owned. I've also just bought a 10 year old MX5 with just 18k miles. Again its like new inside and out.

Always buy on condition and history. Mileage is a value calculation. If you know how many miles you will be doing and how long you expect to keep the car you can work out the future value. I always work backwards from there. I know in 3 years time the MX5 I just bought will still have under 30k miles and therefore be more desirable and easier to sell than a 60/70/80k mile example.