Replacement for 2020 Tesla Model 3LR

[Strocky]

Thinking about selling the wive's Tesla and staying on the EV trail
What sort of 2022 plate cars should I be looking to replace it

Budget is around £23kish

[Dave Hedgehog]

any requirements for spec, range etc?

You can get a 25 plate Niro 4k miles with full 7 year warranty for 23k which has buttons and car play/andriod auto, if that's important (£500 contribution if you take PCP)

https://used-uk.kia.com/used-car-details/used-kia-...

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Monday 12th January 13:09

[Strocky]

Dave Hedgehog said:

any requirements for spec, range etc?

You can get a 25 plate Niro 4k miles with full 7 year warranty for 23k which has buttons and car play/andriod auto, if that's important (£500 contribution if you take PCP)

https://used-uk.kia.com/used-car-details/used-kia-...

Edited by Dave Hedgehog on Monday 12th January 13:09

Same range at least (250 miles on 80% Charge) & 4WD as per the current motor

Will check out your link, ta!

Edited by Strocky on Monday 12th January 13:26

[ChocolateFrog]

What's the reason for changing?

[Strocky]

ChocolateFrog said:

What's the reason for changing?

Getting on in years, won't drop too much on it's value from what I paid for it 18 months ago and the wife is a tad self conscious driving a Swasticar

[samoht]

There aren't that many obvious alternatives in budget.

The Polestar 2 LRDM of that era doesn't have quite the same range as the Tesla. The facelift ones (mid-2023 on) do, but are £27k or so.

The BMW i4 40 is in budget and has the range, but no 4WD; the M50 which has 4WD is £27k or so.

The Kia EV6 starts around that budget and would be worth a look. Otherwise it's more SUV type cars.

I'd say either accept RWD and get a post-facelift Polestar single motor or i4 40, or a shorter range and a PS2 dual motor, or hang onto the Model 3 for a few more years until more cars come into budget.

[karma mechanic]

The Niro mentioned above is FWD. According to Kia it gives better economy because there is no driveshaft to the rear wheels...

[Strocky]

samoht said:

There aren't that many obvious alternatives in budget.

The Polestar 2 LRDM of that era doesn't have quite the same range as the Tesla. The facelift ones (mid-2023 on) do, but are £27k or so.

The BMW i4 40 is in budget and has the range, but no 4WD; the M50 which has 4WD is £27k or so.

The Kia EV6 starts around that budget and would be worth a look. Otherwise it's more SUV type cars.

I'd say either accept RWD and get a post-facelift Polestar single motor or i4 40, or a shorter range and a PS2 dual motor, or hang onto the Model 3 for a few more years until more cars come into budget.

Cheers mate, the sort of post I was sort of hoping to see

[PetrolHeadInRecovery]

karma mechanic said:

The Niro mentioned above is FWD. According to Kia it gives better economy because there is no driveshaft to the rear wheels...

I'm not aware of any factory EV with a propshaft from front motor to the rear wheels. I can be wrong - and even if not, I wouldn't be surprised if salespersons thought there was one, though.

I would imagine the efficiency gains would be from not having to limit regeneration as much as with RWD. Weight transfer when braking improves the grip in the front, momentary slip is less likely to cause a spin if it happens with the front tyres. You can get closer to a deceleration limit that is higher than with RWD.

However, you will lose sales because of slower 0-60 time (everything else being equal).

[Europa Jon]

Google is your friend. Come back with a shortlist.
There are very few, if any cars that are four wheel drive and can deliver your required range in winter for £23k.

[Gone fishing]

Ioniq 5s are in range. There are some a lot less than your budget but you’d need the higher spec ones for range etc

There are even Etron 55s, but you’d struggle to get the range but they’re now a bit of a bargain, as are I-paces, they’re a lot of car for the money but just a tad light on range.

I’d also query why you need AWD unless you live somewhere the weather is really poor. Appropriate tyres on 2 wheel drive will always beat AWD with the wrong tyres, especially when it comes to stopping

[RotorRambler]

Id also check out the servicing costs for other brands.
Tesla dont really need a lot I understand?

My Skoda Enyaq, 2 year inspection, over £400 (thankfully I had it for free as I bought nearly new, over 33% off. Took out finance to get £1k off and a service, withdrew after a few days & keep the perks)
Service plan for the next 2 inspections, quoted £900
A lot of money for not a lot!

Edited by RotorRambler on Wednesday 14th January 08:53

[Strocky]

Gone fishing said:

Ioniq 5s are in range. There are some a lot less than your budget but you d need the higher spec ones for range etc

There are even Etron 55s, but you d struggle to get the range but they re now a bit of a bargain, as are I-paces, they re a lot of car for the money but just a tad light on range.

I d also query why you need AWD unless you live somewhere the weather is really poor. Appropriate tyres on 2 wheel drive will always beat AWD with the wrong tyres, especially when it comes to stopping

Central Scotland and SHMBO has had 4 wheel drive since 2014 so it's a deal breaker

[Strocky]

RotorRambler said:

Id also check out the servicing costs for other brands.
Tesla dont really need a lot I understand?

My Skoda Enyaq, 2 year inspection, over £400 (thankfully I had it for free as I bought nearly new, over 33% off. Took out finance to get £1k off and a service, withdrew after a few days & keep the perks)
Service plan for the next 2 inspections, quoted £900
A lot of money for not a lot!

Edited by RotorRambler on Wednesday 14th January 08:53

Handy info, cheers

[Gone fishing]

Strocky said:

Gone fishing said:

Ioniq 5s are in range. There are some a lot less than your budget but you d need the higher spec ones for range etc

There are even Etron 55s, but you d struggle to get the range but they re now a bit of a bargain, as are I-paces, they re a lot of car for the money but just a tad light on range.

I d also query why you need AWD unless you live somewhere the weather is really poor. Appropriate tyres on 2 wheel drive will always beat AWD with the wrong tyres, especially when it comes to stopping

Central Scotland and SHMBO has had 4 wheel drive since 2014 so it's a deal breaker

Ah, apologies if you'd previously mentioned it, I certainly think that qualifies.

[ShortBeardy]

Ask your partner whether her self image is worth the expense of getting a similarly capable but more expensive car from a different brand or be prepared to buy something within budget that is less capable. Ethical consumerism is a valid method of self expression but buying used puts very little money in the pocket of any car manufacturer. Perhaps one can feel good that you can afford to consider self-image as a factor in the choice.

[Pickle_Rick]

Lease for a byd seal in excellence spec? Slightly quicker than the Tesla, although it's a bit temu in comparison

https://www.leaseloco.com/car-leasing/byd/seal/390...

If you keep the £23k in a cash ISA at 4%, then the lease is effectively £75 a month cheaper, so £310 on 1+35 @ 5k

I suspect depreciation on a £23k second hand EV will be close to £300, and then you have maintenence and mot on top

Unlike the swasticar, it's a Chinese brand so it's only Muslim torture and Imprisonment your wife will be supporting, but she might be OK with that.

Edited by Pickle_Rick on Wednesday 14th January 21:46

[Strocky]

Gone fishing said:

Ah, apologies if you'd previously mentioned it, I certainly think that qualifies.

No need mate, I didn't, so no apology required

[Strocky]

Pickle_Rick said:

Lease for a byd seal in excellence spec? Slightly quicker than the Tesla, although it's a bit temu in comparison

https://www.leaseloco.com/car-leasing/byd/seal/390...

If you keep the £23k in a cash ISA at 4%, then the lease is effectively £75 a month cheaper, so £310 on 1+35 @ 5k

I suspect depreciation on a £23k second hand EV will be close to £300, and then you have maintenence and mot on top

Unlike the swasticar, it's a Chinese brand so it's only Muslim torture and Imprisonment your wife will be supporting, but she might be OK with that.

Edited by Pickle_Rick on Wednesday 14th January 21:46

Cheers mate, your last line may seal the deal

[NDA]

I have a 2021 3LR and I can't think of any other EV that would be better to be honest. It's an iPad and a steering wheel. Constant over the air updates, ageless (because it's featureless inside), cheap, fast, reliable. I guess if it was my only car I might try and have something with more personality, but I'd be risking most of the things that make the Tesla my go-to daily.

I have a 911 and some of the Porsche family were very enthusiastic nazis. I had a Ford GT - wasn't Henry Ford an anti-semite?