996.1 GT3 Islande Blu - W518 RKS - Anyone Know It?
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This has popped up on good old eBay at £65k.
Supposedly a PTS 1 of 1 colour CS that has piqued my interest albeit it's been off road for some time and the last MOT was 2018. From my brief research it looks to have previously been up at £79,995 a few years back, then in a H&H classic auction at Buxton guided at £65-75k but failed to sell and presumably entered by the current owner/trader.
Looking back on this forum there was discussion in 2013 about a blue 991.1 GT3 up in Scotland with a trader selling it on behalf of the family of the deceased owner. Is this the same car?
It's relatively local to me to go and take a look but I'd like to know its history, if any, from the GT community before I put serious effort into trying to put a deal together, getting a PPI and working out costs for recommissioning.
Supposedly a PTS 1 of 1 colour CS that has piqued my interest albeit it's been off road for some time and the last MOT was 2018. From my brief research it looks to have previously been up at £79,995 a few years back, then in a H&H classic auction at Buxton guided at £65-75k but failed to sell and presumably entered by the current owner/trader.
Looking back on this forum there was discussion in 2013 about a blue 991.1 GT3 up in Scotland with a trader selling it on behalf of the family of the deceased owner. Is this the same car?
It's relatively local to me to go and take a look but I'd like to know its history, if any, from the GT community before I put serious effort into trying to put a deal together, getting a PPI and working out costs for recommissioning.
You'll find differing opinions on the car, Slippy says it's in fine fettle, others will say it's dog rough. It did spend time with an owner up in Scotland for a number of years in the 00s during which time it was dog rough-I performed a PPI on it!
It's spent years and years off the road, in some of which periods it had zero spend on it.
Any 996 GT3 needs careful inspection, never mind one that has spent years in Scotland driving through winters.
It is however a lovely specification and I don't doubt, were it restored to mint condition it would be a stunning, rare car. It is known within our 996GT3 chat group.
It's spent years and years off the road, in some of which periods it had zero spend on it.
Any 996 GT3 needs careful inspection, never mind one that has spent years in Scotland driving through winters.
It is however a lovely specification and I don't doubt, were it restored to mint condition it would be a stunning, rare car. It is known within our 996GT3 chat group.
See PR05T's comments and images here :
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
If it's cheap enough and the "bones" are intrinsically good, I would proceed, albeit with caution.
It really need to be inspected by the likes of Mike at Sports & Classic, and a leakdown test carried out on the engine.
Thereafter a proper, long roadtest to get it hot and check the gearbox/gearchange is good and the clutch has plenty of life left and it releases properly after many years of being stored.
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
If it's cheap enough and the "bones" are intrinsically good, I would proceed, albeit with caution.
It really need to be inspected by the likes of Mike at Sports & Classic, and a leakdown test carried out on the engine.
Thereafter a proper, long roadtest to get it hot and check the gearbox/gearchange is good and the clutch has plenty of life left and it releases properly after many years of being stored.
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 26th January 18:28
PRO5T said:
You'll find differing opinions on the car, Slippy says it's in fine fettle, others will say it's dog rough. It did spend time with an owner up in Scotland for a number of years in the 00s during which time it was dog rough-I performed a PPI on it!
It's spent years and years off the road, in some of which periods it had zero spend on it.
Any 996 GT3 needs careful inspection, never mind one that has spent years in Scotland driving through winters.
It is however a lovely specification and I don't doubt, were it restored to mint condition it would be a stunning, rare car. It is known within our 996GT3 chat group.
Slippy said no such thing ... It's spent years and years off the road, in some of which periods it had zero spend on it.
Any 996 GT3 needs careful inspection, never mind one that has spent years in Scotland driving through winters.
It is however a lovely specification and I don't doubt, were it restored to mint condition it would be a stunning, rare car. It is known within our 996GT3 chat group.
Here's what he actually said :
Hardly dogs . Out of all the issues you ve highlighted, the only two that would give me cause for concern, would be the light corrosion on the n/s/r quarter panel inside the engine cover/rear quarter shut on the Ebay car, and the oil leak around or from the scavenge pump on the Autostore car.
996 C2 and GT3 engine covers aren t interchangeable - The air intakes on the underside are on different sides.
The Gurney flap will most likely have been removed when/if the spoiler/cover was painted. They re still available, but cost £500.
Steering wheel airbags in perfect condition are available on EBay for as little as £260.
A trip to Leathercare Renovations in Warrington would sort the seat bolster and cushions, or if you re a DIY er there are numerous kits available.
Whether the tyres are 14 years old or 5 years old, I d replace them. It s a cost I take on the chin when buying a used car if the tyres are more than 2-3 years old.
My guess is the above issues are only the tip of the iceberg, replacing the key components of the suspension (springs, damper overhaul or replacement, balljoints, arms, ARB bushes etc) will cost far more than addressing the cosmetic issues.
There s every chance even lowish mileage cars will need a clutch/clutch fork, clutch fork needle roller bearings.
All this kind of stuff was a factor in buying these cars 15 years ago when the most expensive ones were £35-40k.
Most had had very hard lives, plenty had underside damage from heavy track use. And corrosion to the undersides is common due to the factory reducing the amount of corrosion protection in order to reduce the car s weight.
Coolant leaks are becoming more prevalent as the various hardlines corrode (from the outside due to age, or the inside due to incorrect or no antifreeze being used) the radiators fail because they re poor quality and the end tanks fail where they meet the core, or they rot from the outside due to leaf debris being ingested and once wet, never dries out, which in turn rots the fins/core over time.
When all s said and done, they re 25 year old cars, they were built to be used hard and fast on road or track, and most were. Plenty were crashed and repaired properly, and plenty were crashed whilst uninsured on track days, and repaired badly on the cheap.
The usual applies -Caveat Emptor, and that in turn means that anyone about to proceed with purchasing one would be well advised to have it inspected by someone who knows and understands the cars. The usual suspects are Mike at Sports and Classic, Parrs, JZ Machtech, RPM Technic etc.
And for the avoidance of doubt, that means a proper inspection, on a ramp, in a workshop, not some random bloke turning up at the vendors house/workplace/storage facility, with a mirror and inspecting the underside whilst the car remains in the ground.
Any inspection should also include a leakdown test. In this day and age, such an inspection won t be cheap, but it will be money well spent.
Bringing one of these 25 year old cars up to scratch so they drive exactly as the manufacturer intended them to, is not a cheap undertaking (and is getting more expensive every year) but once done, they make for a superb, tactile and engaging car, albeit, be aware their window of use is limited, and once the novelty has worn off (which may take a couple of years, or five) they will remain in the garage, largely unused, at which point they will start to deteriorate mechanically.
Caveat : But I m just a random bloke on the interwebz who knows nothing, the fact I ve owned 5 of them over a 12 year period, all in various states of tune and in varying condition, means nothing
As you were ...
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 26th January 18:36
Armitage.Shanks said:
This has popped up on good old eBay at £65k.
Supposedly a PTS 1 of 1 colour CS that has piqued my interest albeit it's been off road for some time and the last MOT was 2018. From my brief research it looks to have previously been up at £79,995 a few years back, then in a H&H classic auction at Buxton guided at £65-75k but failed to sell and presumably entered by the current owner/trader.
Looking back on this forum there was discussion in 2013 about a blue 991.1 GT3 up in Scotland with a trader selling it on behalf of the family of the deceased owner. Is this the same car?
It's relatively local to me to go and take a look but I'd like to know its history, if any, from the GT community before I put serious effort into trying to put a deal together, getting a PPI and working out costs for recommissioning.
I’d ask that they check the paint code if the under bonnet sticker is still there (and should be replicated in the owner manual) as I think that might be Zenith Blue, not a one of one colour.Supposedly a PTS 1 of 1 colour CS that has piqued my interest albeit it's been off road for some time and the last MOT was 2018. From my brief research it looks to have previously been up at £79,995 a few years back, then in a H&H classic auction at Buxton guided at £65-75k but failed to sell and presumably entered by the current owner/trader.
Looking back on this forum there was discussion in 2013 about a blue 991.1 GT3 up in Scotland with a trader selling it on behalf of the family of the deceased owner. Is this the same car?
It's relatively local to me to go and take a look but I'd like to know its history, if any, from the GT community before I put serious effort into trying to put a deal together, getting a PPI and working out costs for recommissioning.
Slippydiff said:
Slippy said no such thing ...
As you were ...
It was a different conversation on presumably a different thread-I recall you said you were talking to an owner in at a petrol station where you said it looked good? Which is fair enough-you've therefore seen it more recently than I. All I was going off were the high res photos on the H&H advert, it is at least 15 years since I inspected it-I think the above was after we had the ex-Autostore red one inspected and you took umbrage at me describing it as dog rough (which is fair enough), that one is now at Williams Crawford I think.As you were ...
Regardless, we can both agree these things need inspecting very carefully and a healthy budget in reserve if you want things mint.
Thanks chaps I knew someone would know the car and offer plenty of advice. On the strength of what has been said it's too expensive at the price stated. There are a few hovering around the £60k-£70k window that 'on paper' may have more appeal - This one keeps shouting at me.
Ref the paint, from the pics taken by H&H auctions you can see the bonnet sticker and just make out '999' which I believe is the code for PTS.
Ref the paint, from the pics taken by H&H auctions you can see the bonnet sticker and just make out '999' which I believe is the code for PTS.
Armitage.Shanks said:
Thanks chaps I knew someone would know the car and offer plenty of advice. On the strength of what has been said it's too expensive at the price stated. There are a few hovering around the £60k-£70k window that 'on paper' may have more appeal - This one keeps shouting at me.
Ref the paint, from the pics taken by H&H auctions you can see the bonnet sticker and just make out '999' which I believe is the code for PTS.
It last sold July last year.....Ref the paint, from the pics taken by H&H auctions you can see the bonnet sticker and just make out '999' which I believe is the code for PTS.
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2000-porsche-9...
...which details all its service history etc
Jones the cat said:
It last sold July last year.....
https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2000-porsche-9...
...which details all its service history etc
Different car. That one is at Ashgood - possibly a safer bet and a CS.https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/2000-porsche-9...
...which details all its service history etc
The Blue De Island car - isn't a CS.
It has been off the road for a long time.
Agree with alot that has been said above - would definitely be one to have a full inspection on, go in with your eyes open! As a minimum will likely need a major re-fresh, which is not cheap on these. You could easily spend 20k on a refresh ( and thats without any engine / gearbox work).
All that said, these are great cars and if it checks out to have no big 'stories' and you are prepared to roll your sleeves up and / or open the cheque book then go for it.
PRO5T said:
You'll find differing opinions on the car, Slippy says it's in fine fettle, others will say it's dog rough. It did spend time with an owner up in Scotland for a number of years in the 00s during which time it was dog rough-I performed a PPI on it!
It's spent years and years off the road, in some of which periods it had zero spend on it.
Any 996 GT3 needs careful inspection, never mind one that has spent years in Scotland driving through winters.
It is however a lovely specification and I don't doubt, were it restored to mint condition it would be a stunning, rare car. It is known within our 996GT3 chat group.
The timeline is confusing, I remember you saying you'd done a PPi on it, I think you sent me the results in an email (I remember because you said it had several oil leaks, some of which looked like they'd existed for some time)It's spent years and years off the road, in some of which periods it had zero spend on it.
Any 996 GT3 needs careful inspection, never mind one that has spent years in Scotland driving through winters.
It is however a lovely specification and I don't doubt, were it restored to mint condition it would be a stunning, rare car. It is known within our 996GT3 chat group.
From memory the car was up for sale with Martin Pearce (MCP Norfolk) for years, and I do mean years.
But you said you inspected it up in Scotland ? Can you remember what year that was ?
I saw it parked on OPC Solihull's car park at least 8 years ago, maybe 10.
The owner owned a local vinyl graphics company and the car had some graphics advertising his business on it, but the paintwork had clearly had some serious TLC in the form of a proper paint correction and wax or ceramic coating, because it looked flawless.
I was wondering if was a different car (perhaps a Zenith or Cobalt car) but remembered Andy the then parts manager told me it was a one off PTS car. I said yes, it's a Renault colour, at which point he looked rather shocked and asked how I could possibly know it was.
I just winked at him
Slippydiff said:
Slippy said no such thing ...
Here's what he actually said :
Hardly dogs . Out of all the issues you ve highlighted, the only two that would give me cause for concern, would be the light corrosion on the n/s/r quarter panel inside the engine cover/rear quarter shut on the Ebay car, and the oil leak around or from the scavenge pump on the Autostore car.
996 C2 and GT3 engine covers aren t interchangeable - The air intakes on the underside are on different sides.
The Gurney flap will most likely have been removed when/if the spoiler/cover was painted. They re still available, but cost £500.
Steering wheel airbags in perfect condition are available on EBay for as little as £260.
A trip to Leathercare Renovations in Warrington would sort the seat bolster and cushions, or if you re a DIY er there are numerous kits available.
Whether the tyres are 14 years old or 5 years old, I d replace them. It s a cost I take on the chin when buying a used car if the tyres are more than 2-3 years old.
My guess is the above issues are only the tip of the iceberg, replacing the key components of the suspension (springs, damper overhaul or replacement, balljoints, arms, ARB bushes etc) will cost far more than addressing the cosmetic issues.
There s every chance even lowish mileage cars will need a clutch/clutch fork, clutch fork needle roller bearings.
All this kind of stuff was a factor in buying these cars 15 years ago when the most expensive ones were £35-40k.
Most had had very hard lives, plenty had underside damage from heavy track use. And corrosion to the undersides is common due to the factory reducing the amount of corrosion protection in order to reduce the car s weight.
Coolant leaks are becoming more prevalent as the various hardlines corrode (from the outside due to age, or the inside due to incorrect or no antifreeze being used) the radiators fail because they re poor quality and the end tanks fail where they meet the core, or they rot from the outside due to leaf debris being ingested and once wet, never dries out, which in turn rots the fins/core over time.
When all s said and done, they re 25 year old cars, they were built to be used hard and fast on road or track, and most were. Plenty were crashed and repaired properly, and plenty were crashed whilst uninsured on track days, and repaired badly on the cheap.
The usual applies -Caveat Emptor, and that in turn means that anyone about to proceed with purchasing one would be well advised to have it inspected by someone who knows and understands the cars. The usual suspects are Mike at Sports and Classic, Parrs, JZ Machtech, RPM Technic etc.
And for the avoidance of doubt, that means a proper inspection, on a ramp, in a workshop, not some random bloke turning up at the vendors house/workplace/storage facility, with a mirror and inspecting the underside whilst the car remains in the ground.
Any inspection should also include a leakdown test. In this day and age, such an inspection won t be cheap, but it will be money well spent.
Bringing one of these 25 year old cars up to scratch so they drive exactly as the manufacturer intended them to, is not a cheap undertaking (and is getting more expensive every year) but once done, they make for a superb, tactile and engaging car, albeit, be aware their window of use is limited, and once the novelty has worn off (which may take a couple of years, or five) they will remain in the garage, largely unused, at which point they will start to deteriorate mechanically.
Caveat : But I m just a random bloke on the interwebz who knows nothing, the fact I ve owned 5 of them over a 12 year period, all in various states of tune and in varying condition, means nothing
As you were ...
Great no BS postHere's what he actually said :
Hardly dogs . Out of all the issues you ve highlighted, the only two that would give me cause for concern, would be the light corrosion on the n/s/r quarter panel inside the engine cover/rear quarter shut on the Ebay car, and the oil leak around or from the scavenge pump on the Autostore car.
996 C2 and GT3 engine covers aren t interchangeable - The air intakes on the underside are on different sides.
The Gurney flap will most likely have been removed when/if the spoiler/cover was painted. They re still available, but cost £500.
Steering wheel airbags in perfect condition are available on EBay for as little as £260.
A trip to Leathercare Renovations in Warrington would sort the seat bolster and cushions, or if you re a DIY er there are numerous kits available.
Whether the tyres are 14 years old or 5 years old, I d replace them. It s a cost I take on the chin when buying a used car if the tyres are more than 2-3 years old.
My guess is the above issues are only the tip of the iceberg, replacing the key components of the suspension (springs, damper overhaul or replacement, balljoints, arms, ARB bushes etc) will cost far more than addressing the cosmetic issues.
There s every chance even lowish mileage cars will need a clutch/clutch fork, clutch fork needle roller bearings.
All this kind of stuff was a factor in buying these cars 15 years ago when the most expensive ones were £35-40k.
Most had had very hard lives, plenty had underside damage from heavy track use. And corrosion to the undersides is common due to the factory reducing the amount of corrosion protection in order to reduce the car s weight.
Coolant leaks are becoming more prevalent as the various hardlines corrode (from the outside due to age, or the inside due to incorrect or no antifreeze being used) the radiators fail because they re poor quality and the end tanks fail where they meet the core, or they rot from the outside due to leaf debris being ingested and once wet, never dries out, which in turn rots the fins/core over time.
When all s said and done, they re 25 year old cars, they were built to be used hard and fast on road or track, and most were. Plenty were crashed and repaired properly, and plenty were crashed whilst uninsured on track days, and repaired badly on the cheap.
The usual applies -Caveat Emptor, and that in turn means that anyone about to proceed with purchasing one would be well advised to have it inspected by someone who knows and understands the cars. The usual suspects are Mike at Sports and Classic, Parrs, JZ Machtech, RPM Technic etc.
And for the avoidance of doubt, that means a proper inspection, on a ramp, in a workshop, not some random bloke turning up at the vendors house/workplace/storage facility, with a mirror and inspecting the underside whilst the car remains in the ground.
Any inspection should also include a leakdown test. In this day and age, such an inspection won t be cheap, but it will be money well spent.
Bringing one of these 25 year old cars up to scratch so they drive exactly as the manufacturer intended them to, is not a cheap undertaking (and is getting more expensive every year) but once done, they make for a superb, tactile and engaging car, albeit, be aware their window of use is limited, and once the novelty has worn off (which may take a couple of years, or five) they will remain in the garage, largely unused, at which point they will start to deteriorate mechanically.
Caveat : But I m just a random bloke on the interwebz who knows nothing, the fact I ve owned 5 of them over a 12 year period, all in various states of tune and in varying condition, means nothing
As you were ...
Edited by Slippydiff on Monday 26th January 18:36
The Blu ‘d islandes car was indeed for sale in Scotland after its owner passed.
Discussed in this thread here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I posted about it at the time as it was advertised for £30K (I’d not long bought mine for slightly less from JZM!!!) and a friend was interested…
Discussed in this thread here:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I posted about it at the time as it was advertised for £30K (I’d not long bought mine for slightly less from JZM!!!) and a friend was interested…
I like one-off stuff, because it shows a buyer who really wants what he's buying, a one-off factory PTS 996 GT3 is obviously by definition the only one of its kind and it will find the true enthusiast in the crowd. It's not for me, but I'd love to see someone buy it and restore it to immaculate, some people would say you’d paid too much, but what colour is their GT3 
Hopefully this will be bought by someone who knows exactly what he’s buying and has decided that value is owning what you love, more than just saving a few quid.
Hopefully this will be bought by someone who knows exactly what he’s buying and has decided that value is owning what you love, more than just saving a few quid.
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