Proposal for 6 months paternity leave for fathers
Discussion
Doesn't sound a good idea to me, might end up changing a nappy :eek:
BBC Article
Firms fear paternity leave change
The government is preparing a new bill on work and families
Small business bodies are unhappy about reports that the government may be considering giving new fathers six months of unpaid paternity leave.
The rights are reportedly part of a new bill on work and families from Trade and Industry Secretary Alan Johnson.
The six months paternity leave could only be taken only if the child's mother has returned to work.
The British Chambers of Commerce warned the scheme could be an "administrative nightmare" for small firms.
A spokesman for the Department of Trade and Industry said: "We have made a commitment to introduce a bill on work and families as soon as time allows.
'Good for business'
The Equal Opportunities Commission (EOC) said that babies were the "workers of the future" and more should be done to increase ways of caring for them.
Plans to extend parental leave could not only be an administrative nightmare, but could leave firms without key staff for long periods of time
David Frost, British Chambers of Commerce
"Potentially this [paternity leave proposal] could be good for businesses," the EOC's chief executive Caroline Slocock told the BBC.
"At present women have all of the burden of looking after a new baby."
However, she did say that small businesses could do with some support from the government if staff are away on paternity or maternity leave.
At the moment, new fathers get two weeks paternity leave, whereas new mothers get six months, which will be extended to a year in 2009.
'Unable to cope'
Businesswoman Sylvia Tidy-Harris told the BBC that small firms should be given a £2,000 grant for each person who is off work for six months following the birth of a baby.
She said the Federation of Small Businesses and the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) were "very concerned" about the reported proposals, which could see firms lose staff for months at a time.
"Small businesses will not be able to cope," she said.
BCC director general David Frost said: "The issue for businesses is that plans to extend parental leave could not only be an administrative nightmare, but could leave firms without key staff for long periods of time.
"While employers want to actively support flexible working, the Government must realise that extending parental leave at such an unprecedented rate will add more confusion and pressure to firms who are already struggling to compete
BBC Article
Firms fear paternity leave change
The government is preparing a new bill on work and families
Small business bodies are unhappy about reports that the government may be considering giving new fathers six months of unpaid paternity leave.
The rights are reportedly part of a new bill on work and families from Trade and Industry Secretary Alan Johnson.
The six months paternity leave could only be taken only if the child's mother has returned to work.
The British Chambers of Commerce warned the scheme could be an "administrative nightmare" for small firms.
A spokesman for the Department of Trade and Industry said: "We have made a commitment to introduce a bill on work and families as soon as time allows.
'Good for business'
The Equal Opportunities Commission (EOC) said that babies were the "workers of the future" and more should be done to increase ways of caring for them.
Plans to extend parental leave could not only be an administrative nightmare, but could leave firms without key staff for long periods of time
David Frost, British Chambers of Commerce
"Potentially this [paternity leave proposal] could be good for businesses," the EOC's chief executive Caroline Slocock told the BBC.
"At present women have all of the burden of looking after a new baby."
However, she did say that small businesses could do with some support from the government if staff are away on paternity or maternity leave.
At the moment, new fathers get two weeks paternity leave, whereas new mothers get six months, which will be extended to a year in 2009.
'Unable to cope'
Businesswoman Sylvia Tidy-Harris told the BBC that small firms should be given a £2,000 grant for each person who is off work for six months following the birth of a baby.
She said the Federation of Small Businesses and the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) were "very concerned" about the reported proposals, which could see firms lose staff for months at a time.
"Small businesses will not be able to cope," she said.
BCC director general David Frost said: "The issue for businesses is that plans to extend parental leave could not only be an administrative nightmare, but could leave firms without key staff for long periods of time.
"While employers want to actively support flexible working, the Government must realise that extending parental leave at such an unprecedented rate will add more confusion and pressure to firms who are already struggling to compete
rich1231 said:
Having kids is a choice.
I fail to see why business should be forced to pick up the cost.
FFS if you want to time off to be with your child save up and plan it first.
A meritous argument certaintly.
However, this proviso is the same as we have currently as its only valid if the mother returns to work which does seem kind of fair.
Plotloss said:
Having kids is a choice.
I fail to see why business should be forced to pick up the cost.
FFS if you want to time off to be with your child save up and plan it first.
A meritous argument certaintly.
However, this proviso is the same as we have currently as its only valid if the mother returns to work which does seem kind of fair.
its all bollox though
rich1231 said:
Having kids is a choice.
I fail to see why business should be forced to pick up the cost.
FFS if you want to time off to be with your child save up and plan it first.
It's merely giving couples the right to decide which partner has the time off, currently only the woman gets the right. All in the name of equality dontcha know
Anyway, if people stop having kids, you'll be
ed when you get old as no-one will be paying into the system.Either one seems fine to me.....
If its the woman who goes back to work then the bloke can get time off or if its the woman who stays at home then the bloke goes back.... seems relatively fair to me...
Its a choice at the end of the day and almost everyone I know didnt take the full amount of time anyway! My wife didnt actually have any paternity leave for our two - she's self-employed and wouldnt get a bean... so there was no choice!!
If its the woman who goes back to work then the bloke can get time off or if its the woman who stays at home then the bloke goes back.... seems relatively fair to me...
Its a choice at the end of the day and almost everyone I know didnt take the full amount of time anyway! My wife didnt actually have any paternity leave for our two - she's self-employed and wouldnt get a bean... so there was no choice!!
BliarOut said:
Having kids is a choice.
I fail to see why business should be forced to pick up the cost.
FFS if you want to time off to be with your child save up and plan it first.
It's merely giving couples the right to decide which partner has the time off, currently only the woman gets the right. All in the name of equality dontcha know
Anyway, if people stop having kids, you'll be
Good point
This country needs to serious examine how it can make having children a better proposition for decent hard working people.
BliarOut said:
Having kids is a choice.
I fail to see why business should be forced to pick up the cost.
FFS if you want to time off to be with your child save up and plan it first.
It's merely giving couples the right to decide which partner has the time off, currently only the woman gets the right. All in the name of equality dontcha know
Anyway, if people stop having kids, you'll be
No I wont, I will be taking care of myself thank you very much. Until my kids jave me turfed out and put in a home, where window licking becomes my new hobby.
rich1231 said:
rich1231 said:
Having kids is a choice.
I fail to see why business should be forced to pick up the cost.
FFS if you want to time off to be with your child save up and plan it first.
It's merely giving couples the right to decide which partner has the time off, currently only the woman gets the right. All in the name of equality dontcha know
Anyway, if people stop having kids, you'll be
No I wont, I will be taking care of myself thank you very much. Until my kids jave me turfed out and put in a home, where window licking becomes my new hobby.
The only problem with your idea is that the only people reproducing will be chavs so you will have been murdered a long time before you get put into a home
I can't see a problem with it. Looks like it'll be a case of mother or father off work and either is fine as far as I can see and at least this would go some way towards preventing employers refusing to employ women just in case they get pregnant.
As for the impact on small businesses, they always scream when anything like this comes along.
As for the impact on small businesses, they always scream when anything like this comes along.
No sign of provision for statutory paterninty pay, though, so a little less equal than it could be...srebbe64 said:
It's this sort of pathetic (PC) legislation
Do you care to explain?
There is nothing wrong with wanting to spend time with your children. Perhaps you don't have any and hence your archaic views.
And I'll think you'll find the real cost to business will not be that high.
fulham911club said:
It's this sort of pathetic (PC) legislation
Do you care to explain?
There is nothing wrong with wanting to spend time with your children. Perhaps you don't have any and hence your archaic views.
And I'll think you'll find the real cost to business will not be that high.
Are you having a larf?
What universe do you live in?
rich1231 said:
srebbe64 said:
It's this sort of pathetic (PC) legislation
Do you care to explain?
There is nothing wrong with wanting to spend time with your children. Perhaps you don't have any and hence your archaic views.
And I'll think you'll find the real cost to business will not be that high.
Are you having a larf?
What universe do you live in?
Same as you (well maybe not). What's your issue?
"6 months unpaid paternity leave"yertis said:
There is nothing wrong with wanting to spend time with your children.
There is when you expect someone else to pay you for the pleasure.
Someone elses kids paid for your education, and someone elses will pay for the state provided services (not much, I grant you) when you retire!
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