Wetherspoon dog policy could be breaking the law
Wetherspoon dog policy could be breaking the law
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butchstewie

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64,179 posts

233 months

Friday 6th February
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Didn't know this was a thing.

Wetherspoon dog policy could be breaking the law, watchdog says

Is people passing off normal pet dogs as assistance dogs really such a problem that they feel the need to alienate people with legitimate disabilities who depend on their dogs?

Sheets Tabuer

21,039 posts

238 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
Is people passing off normal pet dogs as assistance dogs really such a problem that they feel the need to alienate people with legitimate disabilities who depend on their dogs?
No idea but I wish supermarkets would do it, fed up of seeing 10 year old mangy pugs being carted around in a shopping trolly.

Dirty bds.

JoshSm

3,459 posts

60 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
Is people passing off normal pet dogs as assistance dogs really such a problem that they feel the need to alienate people with legitimate disabilities who depend on their dogs?
Apparently so. Quite believable given how many people like to take the piss.

The usual trained assistance dog isn't going to be an issue in the first place so I doubt would have spurred them into action (they wouldnt waste staff time over nothing) but there will be plenty of scummers claiming their Staffie is there to help with their anxiety or whatever.

Given the apparent ambiguity in the law and that their policy is a check not a straight ban I can see how they got there, even if it needs some improvement.

milkround

1,326 posts

102 months

Friday 6th February
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Good.

I could stick a jacket on my Rottweiler and try and blag it. I could do the same for my rottie/german shepherd cross and claim he is a ‘service dog’. Both would do enough tricks to con a fool but their primary purpose is to protect my house and bite those who I tell them to. Neither need to go to spoons.

The number of out of control and dangerous trained dogs I see in unsuitable situations is out of control. Whining and barking toy breeds in coffee shops etc.

We need to stop thinking dogs are humans need to be with us all the time. Stick your dog in a crate and go to the pub or stay at home.

Timothy Bucktu

16,632 posts

223 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
Is people passing off normal pet dogs as assistance dogs really such a problem that they feel the need to alienate people with legitimate disabilities who depend on their dogs?
Ever been to a 'Spoons butch?
If you own an assistance dog legitimately, you'll have no issues whatsoever getting into Spoons. Total non-story that you shouldn't trouble yourself with dear boy.

butchstewie

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Friday 6th February
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Timothy Bucktu said:
Ever been to a 'Spoons butch?
If you own an assistance dog legitimately, you'll have no issues whatsoever getting into Spoons. Total non-story that you shouldn't trouble yourself with dear boy.
Without an ID for the dog?

Because the article suggests that's the issue.

J6542

3,321 posts

67 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
Ever been to a 'Spoons butch?
If you own an assistance dog legitimately, you'll have no issues whatsoever getting into Spoons. Total non-story that you shouldn't trouble yourself with dear boy.
Without an ID for the dog?

Because the article suggests that's the issue.
Everyone needs ID for their dog same is everyone needs ID for a drink.

Tango13

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199 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie

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Friday 6th February
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J6542 said:
Everyone needs ID for their dog same is everyone needs ID for a drink.
Really?

"The charity Assistance Dogs UK said it believed, from its understanding of the law, that the pub chain's policy was discriminatory and that no identification was legally required."

Am I misunderstanding the article?

J6542

3,321 posts

67 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
J6542 said:
Everyone needs ID for their dog same is everyone needs ID for a drink.
Really?

"The charity Assistance Dogs UK said it believed, from its understanding of the law, that the pub chain's policy was discriminatory and that no identification was legally required."

Am I misunderstanding the article?
How’s it discriminatory? Everyone with a dog has to show ID. If you have a proper assistance dog you can come in no problem. How is it any different from using a blue badge to park in a disabled bay?

Slow.Patrol

4,320 posts

37 months

Friday 6th February
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The problem these days is people take the piss.

It was reported on TV news this morning that Alton Towers no longer recognise anxiety and ADHD as a disability to get a special "skip the queue" pass.

I would question why someone with anxiety is going to Alton Towers in the first place.

The problem is nearly a third of kids seem to have a "ism" these days and those skipping the queue also included family members - all nine of them!

I like the fact that Wetherspoons don't allow dogs (other than assistance dogs) inside their pubs.

butchstewie

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Friday 6th February
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Slow.Patrol said:
The problem these days is people take the piss.

It was reported on TV news this morning that Alton Towers no longer recognise anxiety and ADHD as a disability to get a special "skip the queue" pass.

I would question why someone with anxiety is going to Alton Towers in the first place.

The problem is nearly a third of kids seem to have a "ism" these days and those skipping the queue also included family members - all nine of them!

I like the fact that Wetherspoons don't allow dogs (other than assistance dogs) inside their pubs.
Their pub their rules.

But I am surprised that the amount of people taking the piss is enough that they think this is a proportionate response.

Sheets Tabuer

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238 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
Their pub their rules.

But I am surprised that the amount of people taking the piss is enough that they think this is a proportionate response.
Have you seen their clientele?

scenario8

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202 months

Friday 6th February
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Apologies, I don’t have the energy to develop much of an opinion on the subject but I really really like the idea of an Assistance Honey Badger.

Epic animals. Terrific under-the-radar species name. The animal kingdom Sleeper equivalent.

Gareth79

8,721 posts

269 months

Friday 6th February
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J6542 said:
butchstewie said:
J6542 said:
Everyone needs ID for their dog same is everyone needs ID for a drink.
Really?

"The charity Assistance Dogs UK said it believed, from its understanding of the law, that the pub chain's policy was discriminatory and that no identification was legally required."

Am I misunderstanding the article?
How s it discriminatory? Everyone with a dog has to show ID. If you have a proper assistance dog you can come in no problem. How is it any different from using a blue badge to park in a disabled bay?
There's no official ID for an assistance dog.

DeadShed

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162 months

Friday 6th February
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J6542 said:
butchstewie said:
J6542 said:
Everyone needs ID for their dog same is everyone needs ID for a drink.
Really?

"The charity Assistance Dogs UK said it believed, from its understanding of the law, that the pub chain's policy was discriminatory and that no identification was legally required."

Am I misunderstanding the article?
How s it discriminatory? Everyone with a dog has to show ID. If you have a proper assistance dog you can come in no problem. How is it any different from using a blue badge to park in a disabled bay?
Because an assistance dog is not a pet dog, it s an assistance tool. The issue is that people with assistance dogs are being forced to do something above and beyond what someone who does not need an assistance dog must do to access the pub. Viewing an assistance dog as being equivalent to a pet dog is a fundamentally incorrect starting point.

butchstewie said:
Their pub their rules.
It might be their pub, but they still need to obey the law.

J4CKO

45,878 posts

223 months

Friday 6th February
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Like the odd dog in a Spoons is a problem FFS !


butchstewie

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Friday 6th February
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DeadShed said:
It might be their pub, but they still need to obey the law.
I should have been clearer - I mean their general "no dogs" policy not the "we want ID for assistance dogs" and so on.

M1AGM

4,377 posts

55 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
I should have been clearer - I mean their general "no dogs" policy not the "we want ID for assistance dogs" and so on.
I went to a gastro pub on Saturday for lunch with the wife, a rare escape from the kids. 2 of their 3 restaurant rooms were ‘dog friendly’ and we were the only people sat in the non friendly one. I was surprised at the demand, spoons are missing a trick although I think the clientele might have different attitudes to where their pets defocate? So perhaps good reason.

J6542

3,321 posts

67 months

Friday 6th February
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butchstewie said:
I should have been clearer - I mean their general "no dogs" policy not the "we want ID for assistance dogs" and so on.
Without the ID, how do you stop people taking the piss?