Thinking of going from 996 c2 to tvr t350 or sagaris!!!
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I am a young guy with a porsche 996 c2...Problem is i find it a bit too grown up for me as i want a raw naturally aspirated exhilerating machine like a gt3 but i cant afford to buy one yet. A ferrari would cost too much to run. So i am thinking of a tvr t350 or a sagaris if it drops in value a little. Is it worth the jump, in terms of financially and thrill factor???
Ive loved every minute of my TVR, but you REALLY need to spend a lot of time in a Tiv to get a true picture of what its like to live with. if I'm honest, i didn't do this, and some aspects are more wearing on a day to day basis than others. with this knowledge in mind, if id have spent more time I'm pretty sure i wouldn't have bought one. don't get me wrong, mine has been awesome, faultless and a pleasure to own, but some 'adjustments' to 'characteristics' will take quite a while, some even longer. ironiclly, its the reason that makes me love my porsche so much.
spend at least a whole day, if not a weekend. good luck
spend at least a whole day, if not a weekend. good luck
I've owned 2 cerberas, a 4.2 and a 4.5 but had many friends with other models over the years. A TVR is a great proposition but you can' buy it with the same mindset as anything else. Imagine you are buying a kitcar that someone else has made for you and that'll be about right.
If you're happy with that then you'll get some fantastically individual styling and some of the best looking interiors in the car world. I, however don't like the "new" TVRs. Tamora, Tuscan, T350, etc., all lack something in my opinion and the speed 6 engine woes mean they're depreciaters in a big way even if the new sp6 engine is robust (is it?)
If you want something raw then go backwards and get a 993 then spend some money doing it up.
I'm looking around at the mo' and will either get a 964,968 or 993 depending on what my budget buys at the time and what I prefer when I test drive. I'll then use a couple of grand to make some exhaust, suspension and brake mods to get the car how I want it.
If you're happy with that then you'll get some fantastically individual styling and some of the best looking interiors in the car world. I, however don't like the "new" TVRs. Tamora, Tuscan, T350, etc., all lack something in my opinion and the speed 6 engine woes mean they're depreciaters in a big way even if the new sp6 engine is robust (is it?)
If you want something raw then go backwards and get a 993 then spend some money doing it up.
I'm looking around at the mo' and will either get a 964,968 or 993 depending on what my budget buys at the time and what I prefer when I test drive. I'll then use a couple of grand to make some exhaust, suspension and brake mods to get the car how I want it.
r8_1ndy said:
I am a young guy with a porsche 996 c2...Problem is i find it a bit too grown up for me as i want a raw naturally aspirated exhilerating machine like a gt3 but i cant afford to buy one yet. A ferrari would cost too much to run. So i am thinking of a tvr t350 or a sagaris if it drops in value a little. Is it worth the jump, in terms of financially and thrill factor???
I've driven a T350 on track and have a distant and on-off relationship with a 964RS
Basically, it is EVEN more TVR than the T350 in rawness and character... and the T350 has that in spades, like the GT3
just look to some of the older models, as the man says.
I'd recommend 964 RS
Then maybe 964 Turbo 2 3.6 - but beware big bills
And also maybe 993 RS but these are GT3 money anyway and a bit too much of a polished diamond, so less raw.
The 968CS is just too dull. Sorry. Maybe if they stuck a more exciting engine in it, but I've owned/driven 944s/968s inc CSs on track and although the handling is amazing, for pure thrillseeking you need a virtually unsilenced, uncatted 964 RS lump at circa 7000 rpm.
>> Edited by domster on Monday 10th October 16:16
I was looking to buy a T350 before getting the 996.
I loved everything about its styling and its performance.
The downsides were people having engine and gearbox replacements before 15k miles and the fact that you had to get it up to temp before moving off. I have the same warm up routine in my aircraft, so can discipline myself to do this, but its not good for neighbourly relationships when leaving at 6:30 in the morning.
Also, my wife frequently uses the porker to commute and her journey is very short.
In the end, I decided that the 996 was the better bet and I am pleased with the decision.
I think Saggy's will be the wrong side of £45k for quite a while, as they are still so new. The new TVR extended warranties will also help their residuals.
If you use your car every day, I'd contemplate a T350 and a £2k old banger.
I loved everything about its styling and its performance.
The downsides were people having engine and gearbox replacements before 15k miles and the fact that you had to get it up to temp before moving off. I have the same warm up routine in my aircraft, so can discipline myself to do this, but its not good for neighbourly relationships when leaving at 6:30 in the morning.
Also, my wife frequently uses the porker to commute and her journey is very short.
In the end, I decided that the 996 was the better bet and I am pleased with the decision.
I think Saggy's will be the wrong side of £45k for quite a while, as they are still so new. The new TVR extended warranties will also help their residuals.
If you use your car every day, I'd contemplate a T350 and a £2k old banger.
hmmmm....driving a tvr's not exactly chids play you know. some might say its more challenging than a porker. a 993 will have abs, funbags and traction. most tvrs are lucky to have tread on the tyres.
ooo... and my 996 is loveley to drive after the cerbera thanks
that said, im much happier now my cars not constantly trying to kill me
ooo... and my 996 is loveley to drive after the cerbera thanks
that said, im much happier now my cars not constantly trying to kill me
sleep envy said:
hmmmm....driving a tvr's not exactly chids play you know. some might say its more challenging than a porker. a 993 will have abs, funbags and traction. most tvrs are lucky to have tread on the tyres.
No traction control chap... well except for the organic kind
did i say traction control? i meant traction. mine had none. ever.
nervous said:
Ive loved every minute of my TVR, but you REALLY need to spend a lot of time in a Tiv to get a true picture of what its like to live with. if I'm honest, i didn't do this, and some aspects are more wearing on a day to day basis than others. with this knowledge in mind, if id have spent more time I'm pretty sure i wouldn't have bought one. don't get me wrong, mine has been awesome, faultless and a pleasure to own, but some 'adjustments' to 'characteristics' will take quite a while, some even longer. ironiclly, its the reason that makes me love my porsche so much.
spend at least a whole day, if not a weekend. good luck
This is spot on!
The boys and girls on the PS heads side say you can live with it day to day but it's too hardcore. The ride is to stiff and the suspension bangs about on anything but the smoothest roads. The cars fast in a straight line (really fast), but I reckon I'm faster A-B in the 996 C2. The lack of compliance doesn’t let you use the extra power in the TVR, although the traction on smooth road is pretty impressive. On the test drive I was blown away by the Tamora, but after living with the rattles, bangs, creeks, smell and leaks for a few months I'd had enough and sold it. The turning circle is massive and it sounds like a pig when you first start it in a morning, plus the build quality is really shockingly poor too, some TVR owners say it’s not, but they just trying to justify there purchase. Nobles are built miles better
Also think the 996 is a bit too soft too; if I was you I'd go for the GT3 instead.
bumcrack said:
Ive loved every minute of my TVR, but you REALLY need to spend a lot of time in a Tiv to get a true picture of what its like to live with. if I'm honest, i didn't do this, and some aspects are more wearing on a day to day basis than others. with this knowledge in mind, if id have spent more time I'm pretty sure i wouldn't have bought one. don't get me wrong, mine has been awesome, faultless and a pleasure to own, but some 'adjustments' to 'characteristics' will take quite a while, some even longer. ironiclly, its the reason that makes me love my porsche so much.
spend at least a whole day, if not a weekend. good luck
This is spot on!
The boys and girls on the PS heads side say you can live with it day to day but it's too hardcore. The ride is to stiff and the suspension bangs about on anything but the smoothest roads. The cars fast in a straight line (really fast), but I reckon I'm faster A-B in the 996 C2. The lack of compliance doesn’t let you use the extra power in the TVR, although the traction on smooth road is pretty impressive. On the test drive I was blown away by the Tamora, but after living with the rattles, bangs, creeks, smell and leaks for a few months I'd had enough and sold it. The turning circle is massive and it sounds like a pig when you first start it in a morning, plus the build quality is really shockingly poor too, some TVR owners say it’s not, but they just trying to justify there purchase. Nobles are built miles better
if I was you I'd go for the GT3 instead.
this was also spot on, until this part
bumface said:at which point im compelled to kick your face in.
Also think the 996 is a bit too soft too
actually, my TVR did have good build quality (used it every day for 9 months, nothing went wrong at all, whatsoever, not even a blown fuse) but your spot on about the bag-of-spanners-start-up-revellie and the turning circle being woeful. and you never get used to that smell. i feel happy i had one though, and that ownership experience was such a good one.
I had a Tamora (in fact Bumcrack I seem to remember giving you a ride in it at Elvington?)...
twas indeed built badly but it was quicker than a quick thing and made me smile - it just spent more time being mended (fortunately I'm a spanner) than being driven. Having said that, I believe later cars got better - they basically do their development after they start selling to the public...so to quote a TVR engineer I met at the factory.."never buy a new model until it's been out a year or two..."
In contrast, I love the 996 - just right for me and though I would love a TT or a GT3 it suits me perfectly at the moment.
twas indeed built badly but it was quicker than a quick thing and made me smile - it just spent more time being mended (fortunately I'm a spanner) than being driven. Having said that, I believe later cars got better - they basically do their development after they start selling to the public...so to quote a TVR engineer I met at the factory.."never buy a new model until it's been out a year or two..."
In contrast, I love the 996 - just right for me and though I would love a TT or a GT3 it suits me perfectly at the moment.
The problem with the tamora is it's seen as a bit of a "girl's" or "entry-level" TVR with the big boys playing in Tuscan Red Rose and above - or at least that's how it was perceived when the "Tomato" came out and I followed the TVR scene.
I quite simply think that anyone that steps out of a Porsche and into a TVR will be disappointed with the niggles of their purchase and ultimately this will eat away at the love of the marque.
Would I have another - doubt it but I have a real soft spot for a Cerbera. If anything I'd get a late one and then a fat exec car (Merc AMG, S type R) for the normal driving.
But then.... why get that if you can buy a 911 and it'll fulfill both? ....... and here I am!!!
I quite simply think that anyone that steps out of a Porsche and into a TVR will be disappointed with the niggles of their purchase and ultimately this will eat away at the love of the marque.
Would I have another - doubt it but I have a real soft spot for a Cerbera. If anything I'd get a late one and then a fat exec car (Merc AMG, S type R) for the normal driving.
But then.... why get that if you can buy a 911 and it'll fulfill both? ....... and here I am!!!
r8_1ndy said:
I am a young guy with a porsche 996 c2...Problem is i find it a bit too grown up for me as i want a raw naturally aspirated exhilerating machine like a gt3 but i cant afford to buy one yet. A ferrari would cost too much to run. So i am thinking of a tvr t350 or a sagaris if it drops in value a little. Is it worth the jump, in terms of financially and thrill factor???
Hi Indy
Listen - sorry to interject here but I saw your post the other day and then, scanning the classifieds I saw this www.pistonheads.com/sales/52983.htm.
If you're finding the 996 a bit dull but you're worried about the build quality etc on a TVR, I really can't think of a better alternative. It's totally raw, very quick, a real handful and infinitely valuable (assuming you don't wrap it around a tree). As 911s go, this is the real thing and as a 3.2 Carrera owner I reckon that this will satisfy your desire for something a bit more youthful.
dubbs said:
How would one of these do compared to say a 993 or 964 C2 on the track? How does it compare to a 964 turbo?
Just out of interest.... :-)
I haven't driven any turbos so I don't really know the answer to your question. The 964 Turbo (or 965 as some call it) will definitely be more refined. My info is that the pre 964 3.3s are quite brutal and harder to hang on to.
Having said all of that, I still reckon that it won't be any harder to live with than a TVR and will definitely be better (extremely well in fact) put together - which is why I'm suggesting it, as Indy obviously finds refined a little dull (as do I).
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