RE: Aston's financial woes continue, no EV till 2030s
RE: Aston's financial woes continue, no EV till 2030s
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Aston's financial woes continue, no EV till 2030s

More debt, more losses, fewer sales - and now, fewer staff too. But hybrid 'refresh' inbound...


Back when Lawrence Stroll and Yew Tree Investments first bought into Aston Martin a little more than six years ago, it felt like a new dawn for the brand. The Canadian would bring much-needed funding and no little ambition to Aston, with the F1 team rebrand alongside to bring the motorsport glamour. And while there have been many successes since 2020 - the current lineup of cars is the best it’s ever been - that hasn’t been enough to comprehensively turn Aston’s fortune around. To the extent that job cuts are in the offing. 

Whether its US tariffs or China’s faltering economy, now is not a good time to be selling European-built luxury cars. In its 2025 results, Aston confirmed that 5,448 wholesale cars were sold last year: 3,549 Sport/GT, 1,717 DBXs, and 182 Specials (stuff like the Valhalla). That’s a drop of 10 per cent compared to 2024, partly attributable to fewer Specials (presumably with ValkyriesValiants and Valours delivered back then) and partly, says Aston, thanks to a ‘disciplined approach to core production and uncertainty resulting from U.S. tariff and quota mechanism.’ Though Trump has cut the 27.5 per cent tariff on UK import cars to 10 per cent, that only applies to the first 100,000 vehicles, and it’s a first-come, first-serve situation - so it’s hard to guarantee anything. 

A volatile market situation means the raw stats aren’t exactly encouraging. Aston Martin’s adjusted loss before tax and interest more than doubled from 2024 to £189m in 2025, while its net debt increased 19 per cent to £1.4bn. So last week’s news about selling the F1 naming rights to AMR GP Holdings (another company with Stroll involvement) for £50m makes some more sense now. Desperate measures are being sought for desperate times. Or to ‘enhance the Group's liquidity position’, in finance speak.

Related to which, last week’s profit warning was accompanied by confirmation that the firm plans to cut the global workforce by around 20 per cent. Significant whatever the size of the staff, but when it’s only 3,000 people anyway that’s an impact that will be felt throughout the business. With tariffs unlikely to be going anywhere as long as the Donald is President, it’s been deemed the right time to reduce operational costs further. 

As far as the cars are concerned, expect to see more low-volume cars like the Valhalla and the recent V12s. That’s where the most margin is, after all. Interestingly, 60 per cent of customers in 2025 were new to the Aston Martin brand, and while they won’t all have been buying 1,000hp PHEVs, it means a new batch of clients that might be there one day. And as far as hybrids go, the Valhalla, as expected, won’t be the last, with the core models (VantageDB12, DBX, Vanquish) getting a ‘full refresh combining combustion-based powertrains with electrical assistance’ between now and the end of the decade. 

Aston had already intimated as much, though it’s been made clear by manufacturers like Ferrari (296 and SF90/849) as well as Lamborghini (Revuelto, Urus, Temerario) that a well-executed hybrid strategy can be welcome news when it comes to global sales, so expect that sooner rather than later now that Aston has a plug-in template to work from. As well as a continuation of limited editions and expansion of customisation possibilities to get the most profit from each vehicle. 

The last time PH spoke to Aston’s CEO, he suggested that a (delayed) fully electric model would be revealed by the end of the decade, and there is no suggestion that the manufacturer is rushing to get there. The plan for now is about finalising the strategy, as regulatory frameworks and customer demands change, ahead of ‘incrementally’ adding ‘all-electric drivetrains alongside efficient combustion powertrain vehicles’ in the first half of the next decade. 

Aston, like just about everybody else, wants that move to ‘coincide with the introduction of next step change in innovative battery technology’. Which feels like it’s been on the way for a long time now. And if the customer clinics say they don’t really want an Aston EV, there certainly won’t be one for the sake of it. V12s are surely a much simpler way to make money.

Tough times lay ahead, though, and Aston is not alone in going through the wringer. In an interview with the FT, Adrian Hallmark made it clear that he expects Stroll to continue his Aston investment, saying: “I can’t speak for Lawrence directly but everything I’ve seen in the past 15 months demonstrates more commitment to this brand than probably any other shareholder in the history of this brand.” But everyone involved will know that losses can’t continue forever. The situation has to improve at some point soon - doesn’t it?


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jorders500

Original Poster:

208 posts

111 months

Has AM ever made a profit? It seems to be perpetually on the verge of going out of business. If Ferrari can do it, why can't AM do it?

scenario8

7,566 posts

201 months

In fairness Ferrari are a bit of a special case.

It brings me absolutely no joy to see Aston Martin continue to struggle. (I’m aware these threads and this saga in particular seem to attract contributors who appear to enjoy their pains). The market will miss Aston if it falls and, more to my point, UK plc will definitely miss it if it folds. I wish it well.

For clarity, I’m in no position to directly contribute myself!

pits

6,670 posts

212 months

jorders500 said:
Has AM ever made a profit? It seems to be perpetually on the verge of going out of business. If Ferrari can do it, why can't AM do it?
I have always had a soft spot for Astons, they are the British Porsche, you're not showing too much wealth and flamboyance but enough that people go "Aston, nice, well done that's lovely", but the issue (imho) lovely body, interiors are always let down by one thing that looks hideous, steering wheel on the Vantage/DB9, gearstick in the DB7, the centre console in the DB11 that looks fresh from Vauxhall, and then they eventually start falling apart and being a bit rubbish.

That said a Vantage is a potential next weekend car, because I have soft spot for them.

dibblecorse

7,316 posts

214 months

jorders500 said:
Has AM ever made a profit? It seems to be perpetually on the verge of going out of business. If Ferrari can do it, why can't AM do it?
Ferrari spent years under the protective wing of government subsidies, support and being protected as a national asset, then time within the hugely wealthy Fiat Group before coming out of the shadows corporately in its own right when it has flourished by being clear about it's intentions and its markets, it also has built a brand that is almost 2nd to none in the automotive industry and is still viewed as pure rather than a subsidiary a'la Lamborghini ....

Aston trades on heritage, one that each year gets further away, they are a sub 6k cars shipped annually organisation that seems to want to operate as a mass producer, the number of UK dealers is high for the number of cars they sell here.

They are stuck in that horrible middle ground and in my mind, the cars are getting too big, almost every car is longer / wider than its benchmark competitor the 911 for what should be the majority of its volume sales, DB11 / Vantage ....

I still plan on owning one though ...


Thepinch001

1 posts

What makes profit is selling little bit less than demand with high margin products. AM has the best line up of all its existence with "special" versions boosting it but it's the same problem that Mclaren is facing: For this market level, the total Ferrari year sales fill up almost all the demand. And although most of people being able to buy an AM or a Ferrari can buy both or even more, it seems they can't convince them. Which segment could help selling more? I think it would be looking for a model line up cheaper than Ferrari one but more upmarket than Porsche. Like a kind of Range Rover. It goes against them but selling more cars would help them.

dibblecorse

7,316 posts

214 months

Thepinch001 said:
What makes profit is selling little bit less than demand with high margin products. AM has the best line up of all its existence with "special" versions boosting it but it's the same problem that Mclaren is facing: For this market level, the total Ferrari year sales fill up almost all the demand. And although most of people being able to buy an AM or a Ferrari can buy both or even more, it seems they can't convince them. Which segment could help selling more? I think it would be looking for a model line up cheaper than Ferrari one but more upmarket than Porsche. Like a kind of Range Rover. It goes against them but selling more cars would help them.
Thats the DBX surely ... Should be considered better than a FFRR but not quite a Purosangue .... and 100% not a chavvy Urus ....

190E 2.5-16V

61 posts

68 months

They need a Cayman/Boxster type of car, more volume into the brand,

This will help the dealerships and future gowth of the brand.

Frogmella

318 posts

112 months

A real shame. I’ve driven every one of the current range and they’re generally superb. DB12 drives a little too generic mind you.

DBX is outstanding compared to the early ones.

Valhalla impressed me (although it would be better as a none hybrid and half the price)

Rumdoodle

1,707 posts

42 months

" I can t speak for Lawrence directly but everything I ve seen in the past 15 months demonstrates more commitment to this brand than probably any other shareholder in the history of this brand."

Not that like David Brown fella, eh? Who remembers him and his fleeting 25 year ownership of the company?

ManyMotors

1,001 posts

120 months

I find this sad yet not unexpected. AM's product can't compete. I hope VW's woes won't affect either Porsche or Lamborghini. McLaren's status is murky and likely not good. And Ferrari also faces issues with new models and keeping demand up worldwide.

The big question is whether Larry Stroll has the money and will to continue burning cash at AM. Right now, it looks bad.

nismo48

6,221 posts

229 months

scenario8 said:
In fairness Ferrari are a bit of a special case.

It brings me absolutely no joy to see Aston Martin continue to struggle. (I m aware these threads and this saga in particular seem to attract contributors who appear to enjoy their pains). The market will miss Aston if it falls and, more to my point, UK plc will definitely miss it if it folds. I wish it well.

For clarity, I m in no position to directly contribute myself!
+1

Bright Halo

3,811 posts

257 months

I am asking this question as I genuinely would like to know the answer.
Would Aston Martin be better off building a car like an Alpine A110 competitor?
Lower price point but far greater sales numbers, maybe even a bigger sales margin?

Volare

442 posts

85 months

190E 2.5-16V said:
They need a Cayman/Boxster type of car, more volume into the brand,

This will help the dealerships and future gowth of the brand.
The strategy saved Porsche in the 90s. It would cause quite a stir if AM were to do it, but I can't help but think that the opportunity has passed. They would have needed to kick that off a decade ago. It would be extremely risky in the current climate, and would almost certainly have to be co developed, along with sharing an engine from someone else, likely a 4 pot, which people would scoff at.

Wills2

27,998 posts

197 months

I do find it strange as there has never been as many rich people in the world and they have never had such a great range of production cars and specials yet they can't find 10,000 unit sales a year from that potential client base with that range of cars.

Pity really.



menousername

2,335 posts

164 months

IMO one challenge is that each model in their lineup has gone crazy performance and crazy price. They are more like Mclaren in that respect.

The Vantage was the baby Aston designed to pull in a less affluent crowd. That could have been the Boxter challenger (price differential of the original admittedly a challenge). They probably cannot reverse that now.

They need more product differentiation. The cheaper Vantage. The middle ground GT being the DB12 now. Vanquish / DBS as a more hardcore version.

The Vanquish is more hyper car now but like the Vantage I am not sure it carries the name / positioning well. Looks great as a muscle car type setup maybe they could have done something with that design and a different name.

DBX should be the prettiest SUV on the market but looks awkward.

Perhaps they got caught between keeping their past successes and trying to not look old fashioned.


craigjm

20,414 posts

222 months

So the company is in the st because they are not selling enough cars yet they go about making the Valhalla, Valkyrie, Valour and Valliant while the day to day cars people actually buy are struggling. Kind of feels a touch like MG Rover building Mangusta's and sticking Mustang engines in the 75 etc.

I think if they really want to pull themselves out they need to refocus what they are doing. The old adage of everything will sell at the right price is very true. If we look at prices before options, the Vantage is priced too high to draw anyone away from their 911. There then isnt that much gap to a DB12. The DBX is more expensive than the Bentayga and people are obviously walking past the Vanquish to get at the Ferrari and McLaren etc.

Every model they have created in my driving time I have looked at and thought there has often been something that just makes them not the car you would buy over their competitors. Sometimes its something practical like the god awful Volvo sat nav on the 00's cars and sometimes its styling like with some of the more recent front grilles that are so massive they look like basking sharks.

I also wonder, if James Bond had not used a DB5 in the films whether the sales would be as high as they even are today. The company feels like Jaguar in some ways and even Rover as referenced above as in proud British companies with a solid history that has somehow struggled in the modern world. I think this is only going to get harder with newer generations of drivers coming through that were not even children when that solid history was contemporary.


craigjm

20,414 posts

222 months

Bright Halo said:
I am asking this question as I genuinely would like to know the answer.
Would Aston Martin be better off building a car like an Alpine A110 competitor?
Lower price point but far greater sales numbers, maybe even a bigger sales margin?
Surely the margin is massive in their current cars (assuming their business case projections were not fairy dust) because Porsche, Ferrari etc make far more money on the options than they do on the base car and just about every car they sell has 50k of options and often more.

DBA086

122 posts

75 months

I think the issue is the price and volume - the standard range cars are too expensive to sell in significant numbers, and the “special” models don’t generate a lot of margin.

smilo996

3,567 posts

192 months

Luxury names are more and more brands within a larger sphere of a manufacturing company, except if they are super niche (Koenigseggah) but most are now part of something bigger - Morgan, Caterham, Lotus.
Lambo is a good example, Porsche another, where it is really a brand in the line up but not supported by a company behind the scenes as the others are.
Ferrari was under the wing of Fiat and still private family investment.

Aston will go the way of Lambo and others, it not special enough though they have tried and may succeed.
AMG / Merc?
Would be good if there was a British wing it could flourish under - JLR once upon a time but not currently.


CH80

320 posts

19 months

jorders500 said:
Has AM ever made a profit? It seems to be perpetually on the verge of going out of business. If Ferrari can do it, why can't AM do it?
Because they use crate engines. Simple. At this level even Porsche has it's USP: it's own flat 6 engine.

As an engineering company, Ferrari also produces its own engines.

AM were selling the most cars under the Bez era, when he knew that it needed to have it's own bespoke V8 and V12 engines.

But the current leadership have their heads in the sand. They think by making it prettier (debatable) and having a nice interior will cover the fact it still can't manufacture it's own engines.

Look back in history and see where all the other "manufacturers" using crate engines ended up.