LifeA110 Geometry confusion

[JoeR1988]

Hi,

I’ve just become the owner of a 2022 A110S and I’m looking to get the LifeA110 geometry.

On the website the only options it will let me choose for an A110S is “Fast Road and Track” however it’s unclear if I need to have the lowering springs as well with this.

It also lets me choose “Track - Lowered Suspension” but this will be too aggressive for me. The other options are unavailable.

To be honest I was just looking to get the “Sports Road” but it doesn’t let me select this for a A110S”

I find the whole thing a bit unclear, i’m unsure if “Fast Road and Track” will be too aggressive as I do t plan to go on track.

I’ve reached out to David but had no response. Hopefully someone can dumb this down for me.

Thanks

[Aladoro69]

Hi,

Not sure if applicable to the Pure and S but the main tweak to geometry is the first option for Sports Road

As far as l know that is the option most people ho for on standard suspension and there's loads of info on feedback and opinions on the forum

[JoeR1988]

Aladoro69 said:

Hi,

Not sure if applicable to the Pure and S but the main tweak to geometry is the first option for Sports Road

As far as l know that is the option most people ho for on standard suspension and there's loads of info on feedback and opinions on the forum

Thanks but for some reason it shows as “unavailable” for my car so won’t let me purchase/download

[kdempsie]

I went with the Fast Road and Track on my A110S. It’s a great improvement in my view, really dials out understeer and makes the front feel more precise. I only use it on road.

[JoeR1988]

kdempsie said:

I went with the Fast Road and Track on my A110S. It s a great improvement in my view, really dials out understeer and makes the front feel more precise. I only use it on road.

Thanks. Did you need to lower it too? You don’t find it too aggressive?

[SpudLink]

I’ve just had my geo setup by Matt at Spires, who works with David Pook of Life110. I explained I was after the ‘fast road’ setup to dial out any understeer, but not for use on track. No change was required to suspension components on my ‘pure’.
Matt explained the Alpine has much more adjustability available than most cars.

By coincidence, David Pook turned up to deliver a set of covers for another customer.

[JoeR1988]

SpudLink said:

I ve just had my geo setup by Matt at Spires, who works with David Pook of Life110. I explained I was after the fast road setup to dial out any understeer, but not for use on track. No change was required to suspension components on my pure .
Matt explained the Alpine has much more adjustability available than most cars.

By coincidence, David Pook turned up to deliver a set of covers for another customer.

Thanks. I think I’ll just do the Fast Road & Track set up then without lowering it then. I like the ride height as it is anyway.

[kdempsie]

JoeR1988 said:

Thanks. Did you need to lower it too? You don t find it too aggressive?

No, just std S suspension.

It doesn’t feel aggressive for me, just more precise with less understeer.

Edited by kdempsie on Sunday 8th March 22:28

[paulwirral]

I’ve just had my base model done to the fast road settings , unfortunately it’s really windy with hail showers here today so I don’t really know if it’s any different , I’m also only just over 600 miles so still running in too , a ring trip will sort that out in April though !

[SpudLink]

paulwirral said:

I ve just had my base model done to the fast road settings , unfortunately it s really windy with hail showers here today so I don t really know if it s any different , I m also only just over 600 miles so still running in too , a ring trip will sort that out in April though !

Hail and snow here today. Great weather for working from home.

I had my base model 11 months before getting the fast road setting. It really is much better. My only issue with the standard setup was it didn’t turn into bends quite the way I wanted, and that has been resolved beautifully.

[shaunwap]

Anybody with the Sport Road LIFE110 settings still experience occasional slight steering 'stiction' around the straight ahead? One of the reasons I went for the LIFE110 settings was reading that this issue was much improved with David's settings. Its only really noticeable when making small wheel movements from straight ahead and appears to be sporadic but I find it a bit irritating. When driving spiritedly the new settings have transformed the car, turn in and connection much improved and the steering feels great. I'm wondering if this is just a characteristic of the Alpines EPS or if tramlining from the increased negative camber is mimicking the slightly sticky feel?

[JoeR1988]

shaunwap said:

Anybody with the Sport Road LIFE110 settings still experience occasional slight steering 'stiction' around the straight ahead? One of the reasons I went for the LIFE110 settings was reading that this issue was much improved with David's settings. Its only really noticeable when making small wheel movements from straight ahead and appears to be sporadic but I find it a bit irritating. When driving spiritedly the new settings have transformed the car, turn in and connection much improved and the steering feels great. I'm wondering if this is just a characteristic of the Alpines EPS or if tramlining from the increased negative camber is mimicking the slightly sticky feel?

What tyres are you running?

[MaFue]

I have a 2022 S with the Life110 springs fitted with fast road geo done earlier this summer by Matt at Spires.

It's transformed the car, it feels less nervous around the straight-ahead but I like the weightier feel. Borrowed a standard S a month or so ago and driving them back-to-back was interesting, my car feels a lot more planted and the feedback is a lot more predictable.

I'm running Michelin PS5, which are brilliant. Had a blast to the Alps a couple of weeks ago, it's just such a joy to drive.

[MaFue]

EDIT: double post, sorry

Edited by MaFue on Thursday 22 October 10:33

[The Fonze]

I would personally run the "sports road" geometry if you are only using the car on the road.

I have ran various geometry setups (A110S lowered on Intrax suspension) and to make the most of the car on the road you don't really want to go above -1 deg of camber on the front axel as the steering requires to many corrections on uneven surfaces. The caster on the Alpine is also not adjustable which means as static camber is increased, the caster drops (and cant be increased like on a lot of cars). This reduces the self centring effect and steering weight on centre and I personally prefer a car with more caster (on the road at least).


The sports road setup also has less toe in at the rear which makes the car turn in nicer and be more playful, the Life110 "road and track" setup has more rear toe to increase stability on track as a result of the increase in camber.

[shaunwap]

JoeR1988 said:

shaunwap said:

Anybody with the Sport Road LIFE110 settings still experience occasional slight steering 'stiction' around the straight ahead? One of the reasons I went for the LIFE110 settings was reading that this issue was much improved with David's settings. Its only really noticeable when making small wheel movements from straight ahead and appears to be sporadic but I find it a bit irritating. When driving spiritedly the new settings have transformed the car, turn in and connection much improved and the steering feels great. I'm wondering if this is just a characteristic of the Alpines EPS or if tramlining from the increased negative camber is mimicking the slightly sticky feel?

What tyres are you running?

OEM Michelin Pilot 4 with around 1900 miles on them.

[shaunwap]

The Fonze said:

I would personally run the "sports road" geometry if you are only using the car on the road.

I have ran various geometry setups (A110S lowered on Intrax suspension) and to make the most of the car on the road you don't really want to go above -1 deg of camber on the front axel as the steering requires to many corrections on uneven surfaces. The caster on the Alpine is also not adjustable which means as static camber is increased, the caster drops (and cant be increased like on a lot of cars). This reduces the self centring effect and steering weight on centre and I personally prefer a car with more caster (on the road at least).


The sports road setup also has less toe in at the rear which makes the car turn in nicer and be more playful, the Life110 "road and track" setup has more rear toe to increase stability on track as a result of the increase in camber.

Yeah mine is set up using Life110 sport road settings so 0.5 degrees of negative camber on the front and 1.35 on the rear. Interesting points about camber and caster youve made though, as I have thought that a little more self centering around the straight ahead would feel better. I wonder if knocking the camber off a tiny bit may help?

[Yuri75]

Mine is on OE springs, with Bilstein dampers, on Pilot Sport 5 and running the Life110 fast road geo, or as close as we could realistically get to it. The last bit of toe at the front was surprisingly tricky to get just so. In the end, my fronts now have - 00°33' of camber each and total front toe is - 00°07', with caster +06°41' on both sides. Before adjusting, I was at -00°15'-ish of camber each side, -00°13' of toe and +07°00' of caster, which did give this occasional stiction-feel. Can't say that I've ever noticed it again after having it adjusted, but then again, it was not very pronounced to begin with. Self-centering feels largely unaffected.

[The Fonze]

shaunwap said:

Yeah mine is set up using Life110 sport road settings so 0.5 degrees of negative camber on the front and 1.35 on the rear. Interesting points about camber and caster youve made though, as I have thought that a little more self centering around the straight ahead would feel better. I wonder if knocking the camber off a tiny bit may help?

I am running around -0.9 deg front and -1.5 deg rear and I find this a good compromise for road and track. More front camber does improve turn in but I found when running -1.5 deg on the front, the car didnt load up through the steering as nicely and required more correction which is not what you want on the road.

In your case it could be the small amount of front toe in, try going neutral toe or parallel on the front. -0.5 deg camber should be pretty optimal on the road but less will give you more steering weight as the caster will increase slightly.

[shaunwap]

The Fonze said:

I am running around -0.9 deg front and -1.5 deg rear and I find this a good compromise for road and track. More front camber does improve turn in but I found when running -1.5 deg on the front, the car didnt load up through the steering as nicely and required more correction which is not what you want on the road.

In your case it could be the small amount of front toe in, try going neutral toe or parallel on the front. -0.5 deg camber should be pretty optimal on the road but less will give you more steering weight as the caster will increase slightly.

Thanks