296 vs 296 Speciale vs 296 CS
Discussion
I don't think - and dealer says this too - that there will be many non hybrid ones.
I've heard that they'll be "track only" - don't know if that's true... but..... dealer says they're only getting less than half the 296 Speciale vs what they got of Pista's, and less than even the 458 Speciale.
I expect there will be 125 total 296 Speciale's in the UK - there were 188 458 Speciale's, and something like 300-400 Pista from memory. This is based on numbers I've heard dealers say they're getting and extrapolating from that.
This makes some sense as they know they over produced the 296 and got hit with covid asset price changes, so probably want to correct that or they burn their customers, and what matters most to Ferrari are repeat customers who move up the food chain in the brand (they say as much in their annual report).
Also the UK market isnt as good as other markets round the world, so why ship a load here? In the USA you have 458 Speciale's and Pista's approaching $1m, you have much higher demand and tighter supply, why bother selling too many 296 Speciale's in the UK when the UK is by far the cheapest place in the world to buy a Ferrari?
If you were Ferrari and wanted to maximise your money, you'd ship more to the USA and elsewhere and less to the UK given that prices here are the lowest in the world.
I suspect that the CS non hybrid will be very, very limited, possibly a track only XX
I suspect that this will happen:
- 296 GTB and GTS have now finished production. Whatever has been sold has been sold. UK prices will stabilise and eventually people will get used to hybrid and see that its a much better car than the 458, 488 etc... which are great as they are, wouldn't see what way a 296 went
- 296 Speciale - if they do only sell 125 total cars in UK (or even 180), then that's super rare for a non-numbered car vs Scud, Speciale and Pista. What way prices go immediately after launch depends more on the UK economy and labour than it does anything Ferrari do (e.g. if Green party looks like they're getting in, and Labour keep on stealing other people's money, then there will be no overs, and I suspect you can pick one up at list in the next year, if Reform look like they're getting in next time, and Labour finally realise their policies have caused mass unemployment masquerading as sickness, mass national debt, and an economy that sucks, and do something to fix that, or at least sound like they will, prices will go up after launch due to limited supply and more than 125 people in the UK wanting one).
- 296 CS / XX - will be so limited its bound to already have Ferrari working out who gets one centrally, and go up in value, as there are so few
I've heard that they'll be "track only" - don't know if that's true... but..... dealer says they're only getting less than half the 296 Speciale vs what they got of Pista's, and less than even the 458 Speciale.
I expect there will be 125 total 296 Speciale's in the UK - there were 188 458 Speciale's, and something like 300-400 Pista from memory. This is based on numbers I've heard dealers say they're getting and extrapolating from that.
This makes some sense as they know they over produced the 296 and got hit with covid asset price changes, so probably want to correct that or they burn their customers, and what matters most to Ferrari are repeat customers who move up the food chain in the brand (they say as much in their annual report).
Also the UK market isnt as good as other markets round the world, so why ship a load here? In the USA you have 458 Speciale's and Pista's approaching $1m, you have much higher demand and tighter supply, why bother selling too many 296 Speciale's in the UK when the UK is by far the cheapest place in the world to buy a Ferrari?
If you were Ferrari and wanted to maximise your money, you'd ship more to the USA and elsewhere and less to the UK given that prices here are the lowest in the world.
I suspect that the CS non hybrid will be very, very limited, possibly a track only XX
I suspect that this will happen:
- 296 GTB and GTS have now finished production. Whatever has been sold has been sold. UK prices will stabilise and eventually people will get used to hybrid and see that its a much better car than the 458, 488 etc... which are great as they are, wouldn't see what way a 296 went
- 296 Speciale - if they do only sell 125 total cars in UK (or even 180), then that's super rare for a non-numbered car vs Scud, Speciale and Pista. What way prices go immediately after launch depends more on the UK economy and labour than it does anything Ferrari do (e.g. if Green party looks like they're getting in, and Labour keep on stealing other people's money, then there will be no overs, and I suspect you can pick one up at list in the next year, if Reform look like they're getting in next time, and Labour finally realise their policies have caused mass unemployment masquerading as sickness, mass national debt, and an economy that sucks, and do something to fix that, or at least sound like they will, prices will go up after launch due to limited supply and more than 125 people in the UK wanting one).
- 296 CS / XX - will be so limited its bound to already have Ferrari working out who gets one centrally, and go up in value, as there are so few
Edited by kbf1981 on Sunday 8th March 20:00
Edited by kbf1981 on Sunday 8th March 20:01
Just looked online -
2008 Scud = £300k
2014 Speciale = £400k
2028 Pista = £300-330k
I recon most 296 Speciale will leave the factory at £450k, with early ones being around £500k after options
Those cars ending up around £400k on the bottom end of the market and £500k on top end feels reasonable given the above. If a Scud is worth £300k, and a Pista you can pay £350k for, when it's 7 years old, would you spend an extra £50k to get the lighest optioned 296 Speciale? 7 yr servicing, 5 yr warranty... and we know it'll be the fastest real life model they produce on a typical road as its so small and so fast, and easy to place.
2008 Scud = £300k
2014 Speciale = £400k
2028 Pista = £300-330k
I recon most 296 Speciale will leave the factory at £450k, with early ones being around £500k after options
Those cars ending up around £400k on the bottom end of the market and £500k on top end feels reasonable given the above. If a Scud is worth £300k, and a Pista you can pay £350k for, when it's 7 years old, would you spend an extra £50k to get the lighest optioned 296 Speciale? 7 yr servicing, 5 yr warranty... and we know it'll be the fastest real life model they produce on a typical road as its so small and so fast, and easy to place.
kbf1981 said:
I don't think - and dealer says this too - that there will be many non hybrid ones.
I've heard that they'll be "track only" - don't know if that's true... but..... dealer says they're only getting less than half the 296 Speciale vs what they got of Pista's, and less than even the 458 Speciale.
I expect there will be 125 total 296 Speciale's in the UK - there were 188 458 Speciale's, and something like 300-400 Pista from memory. This is based on numbers I've heard dealers say they're getting and extrapolating from that.
This makes some sense as they know they over produced the 296 and got hit with covid asset price changes, so probably want to correct that or they burn their customers, and what matters most to Ferrari are repeat customers who move up the food chain in the brand (they say as much in their annual report).
Also the UK market isnt as good as other markets round the world, so why ship a load here? In the USA you have 458 Speciale's and Pista's approaching $1m, you have much higher demand and tighter supply, why bother selling too many 296 Speciale's in the UK when the UK is by far the cheapest place in the world to buy a Ferrari?
If you were Ferrari and wanted to maximise your money, you'd ship more to the USA and elsewhere and less to the UK given that prices here are the lowest in the world.
I suspect that the CS non hybrid will be very, very limited, possibly a track only XX
I suspect that this will happen:
- 296 GTB and GTS have now finished production. Whatever has been sold has been sold. UK prices will stabilise and eventually people will get used to hybrid and see that its a much better car than the 458, 488 etc... which are great as they are, wouldn't see what way a 296 went
- 296 Speciale - if they do only sell 125 total cars in UK (or even 180), then that's super rare for a non-numbered car vs Scud, Speciale and Pista. What way prices go immediately after launch depends more on the UK economy and labour than it does anything Ferrari do (e.g. if Green party looks like they're getting in, and Labour keep on stealing other people's money, then there will be no overs, and I suspect you can pick one up at list in the next year, if Reform look like they're getting in next time, and Labour finally realise their policies have caused mass unemployment masquerading as sickness, mass national debt, and an economy that sucks, and do something to fix that, or at least sound like they will, prices will go up after launch due to limited supply and more than 125 people in the UK wanting one).
- 296 CS / XX - will be so limited its bound to already have Ferrari working out who gets one centrally, and go up in value, as there are so few
There already is the non-hybrid track-only 296 Challenge.I've heard that they'll be "track only" - don't know if that's true... but..... dealer says they're only getting less than half the 296 Speciale vs what they got of Pista's, and less than even the 458 Speciale.
I expect there will be 125 total 296 Speciale's in the UK - there were 188 458 Speciale's, and something like 300-400 Pista from memory. This is based on numbers I've heard dealers say they're getting and extrapolating from that.
This makes some sense as they know they over produced the 296 and got hit with covid asset price changes, so probably want to correct that or they burn their customers, and what matters most to Ferrari are repeat customers who move up the food chain in the brand (they say as much in their annual report).
Also the UK market isnt as good as other markets round the world, so why ship a load here? In the USA you have 458 Speciale's and Pista's approaching $1m, you have much higher demand and tighter supply, why bother selling too many 296 Speciale's in the UK when the UK is by far the cheapest place in the world to buy a Ferrari?
If you were Ferrari and wanted to maximise your money, you'd ship more to the USA and elsewhere and less to the UK given that prices here are the lowest in the world.
I suspect that the CS non hybrid will be very, very limited, possibly a track only XX
I suspect that this will happen:
- 296 GTB and GTS have now finished production. Whatever has been sold has been sold. UK prices will stabilise and eventually people will get used to hybrid and see that its a much better car than the 458, 488 etc... which are great as they are, wouldn't see what way a 296 went
- 296 Speciale - if they do only sell 125 total cars in UK (or even 180), then that's super rare for a non-numbered car vs Scud, Speciale and Pista. What way prices go immediately after launch depends more on the UK economy and labour than it does anything Ferrari do (e.g. if Green party looks like they're getting in, and Labour keep on stealing other people's money, then there will be no overs, and I suspect you can pick one up at list in the next year, if Reform look like they're getting in next time, and Labour finally realise their policies have caused mass unemployment masquerading as sickness, mass national debt, and an economy that sucks, and do something to fix that, or at least sound like they will, prices will go up after launch due to limited supply and more than 125 people in the UK wanting one).
- 296 CS / XX - will be so limited its bound to already have Ferrari working out who gets one centrally, and go up in value, as there are so few
Edited by kbf1981 on Sunday 8th March 20:00
Edited by kbf1981 on Sunday 8th March 20:01
the 296 cs is happening and will be a road car, not sure of numbers but because it's going to a proper lightweight focused car I think it's going to be a proper limited edition and will sell for a huge premium
could affect the prices of the 296 spec as that'll be the car that everyone wants
could affect the prices of the 296 spec as that'll be the car that everyone wants
WCZ said:
the 296 cs is happening and will be a road car, not sure of numbers but because it's going to a proper lightweight focused car I think it's going to be a proper limited edition and will sell for a huge premium
could affect the prices of the 296 spec as that'll be the car that everyone wants
That makes sense. If it's truly limited numbers, then you are probably correct, the CS will be the ultimate desired road 296.could affect the prices of the 296 spec as that'll be the car that everyone wants
Maybe I get a shot at a 296 Speciale at a reasonable price in a couple of years :-)
Kbf1981, sorry but there will be way more than 125 UK 296 Speciales you don t understand the Ferrari board now. The non hybrid car has been in the pipeline for awhile but not sure on numbers, but will be some car. Almost double your assumptions, 330 UK 458 Speciales and about 440 UK Pista Coupes and 160 UK Pista Spiders, but jtremlett will know, not the dealer talk.
Edited by maura on Monday 9th March 23:02
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