RE: Heavenly Alfa Romeo GTV for sale
RE: Heavenly Alfa Romeo GTV for sale
Tuesday 24th March

Heavenly Alfa Romeo GTV for sale

MST Mk1 not for you? Try a 190hp contemporary of the iconic Escorts...


Too much nostalgia is very seldom a good thing. That being said, it’s all too easy to be won over by what MST continues to produce. You may well have seen the Mk1 Sports already, a freshly built celebration of perhaps the most loved of the old fast Fords. Using new methods to reimagine the old school (and now at a slightly more accessible price as well), the appeal is plain to see. 

Especially as Fords mean so much to so many. If there wasn’t one in the family, friends would have had one. If you couldn’t watch them race and rally live, they would be in magazines. And in those circuit images, you could guarantee a racing Escort would be going wheel to wheel with an Alfa GTV. Similarly sized, similarly powered road cars made for perfect motorsport adversaries, and many a titanic touring car tussle was waged between Alfa and Ford-badged two-doors. Now, with the first Mk1 Sports complete and this GTV recently listed in the classifieds, having them both on the homepage was irresistible. The good old days don’t half look great sometimes. 

While the 105 and 115 Series of Alfa Romeo coupes have always been notable classics, they’ve undoubtedly gained an extra significance in recent years thanks to Alfaholics ground-up rebuilds. When they’re of sufficient quality for Gordon Murray to commission, there’s inevitably going to be a lot of interest. People who never really knew much of Autodelta, Junior Zs and GT Veloces are having their algorithms serve up these glorious carbon-clad coupes, faster and wilder than ever could have been conceived back in the day. So there’s a renewed interest in old Alfas. 

This one isn’t the full GTA-R, but then that also means it doesn’t cost hundreds of thousands and there isn’t a waiting list of several years. This GTV does have some recently fitted Alfaholics goodies, though, including exhaust and wheels, plus a big brake conversion. An Ian Ellis Twin Spark, complete with forged pistons and rods, racy cams and a ported head, should bring 190hp to the party. Or just 10hp more than the MST. When new cars are so overweight and overcomplicated, both sound like perfect B-road blasters. 

Importantly, plenty of the modifications for this Alfa have been done recently, so the next owner can properly appreciate the benefit. So often classic car adverts will speak of restorative work, only for it to have taken place 20 years ago. This Alfa, on the other hand, has had tens of thousands spent just this decade. It’s a dream scenario, really, a car that ‘isn’t a concourse show pony’ but which does have ‘some very tasty mechanical upgrades… so it can be used and enjoyed by real enthusiasts for a fraction of the cost of a full Alfaholics build.’ Persuasive, right? Enjoy as is, with the money spent on the oily bits, or lavish some money on it to make a proper show stopper. Because if this is how good Le Mans Blue and tan looks now, imagine what it could be… 

With a mighty service file and Alfa Owners Club correspondence to accompany it, this appears a real gem of a classic GTV. Obviously this isn’t quite the blank canvas that commissioning something new from MST would be, but this also isn’t a perfectly preserved, standard example. So as the previous owner did, you’d be free to improve and tinker as desired. Perhaps it’s time to take another look at the Alfaholics website to see what comes next…


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Ray_Aber

Original Poster:

792 posts

301 months

Monday 23rd March
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I would have this over the Escort in a heartbeat. It's gorgeous!

I've always been impressed by the Alfaholics GTA-R restomods although they are way beyond my realistic reach. This would be a perfectly acceptable alternative.

Matt_T

1,198 posts

99 months

Monday 23rd March
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How does the law work with regards to the mileage displayed on the clock? The clock on this clearly shows 694 miles, however the car had done over 100,000 miles before restoration?

The engine also seems to be the original block so this has 100,000 miles on it as well as the chassis.

What is the legal basis for changing the clock to 694 miles? Is it now registered as a kit car with the original as a donor, hence the new mileage? How does DVLA see this car now?

Obviously I can't just buy a 100,000 mile car, restore it and put the mileage back to 600.

Edited by Matt_T on Monday 23 March 12:17

SuperPav

1,297 posts

150 months

Monday 23rd March
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Matt_T said:
How does the law work with regards to the mileage displayed on the clock? The clock on this clearly shows 694 miles, however the car had done over 100,000 miles before restoration?

The engine also seems to be the original block so this has 100,000 miles on it as well as the chassis.

What is the legas basis for changing the clock to 694 miles? Is it now registered as a kit car with the original as a donor, hence the new mileage? How does DVLA see this car now?
The law works pretty simple. Your odometer can say whatever you want it to say. 0 miles, 8008135 or anything else, as long as you don't fraudulently misrepresent the car when selling - so if they say the car has had 694 miles since restoration and not saying it's done 694 miles since new, they aren't breaking any laws.

I suspect DLVA will just see this as a restoration, under the points based system.

swanny71

3,438 posts

234 months

Monday 23rd March
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Yes please!

andrewpandrew

2,802 posts

14 months

Monday 23rd March
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Not a fan of the colour, but otherwise absolutely stunning.

GreatScott2016

2,332 posts

113 months

Monday 23rd March
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Very pretty thing, thumbs up from me smile

V12GT

609 posts

115 months

Monday 23rd March
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This every day over the MST. So, so pretty.

It’s an odd thing to compare to, but I’m currently looking to replace my GranCabrio. I’ve been thinking of a Boxster 3.8/4.0 litre (981 or 718), which are a similar cost to this.

But would this be more fun for my Euro road trips? This issue would be reliability and harder to get parts to repair for, which puts a dampener on your holiday if it breaks down (and I’m not that mechanical).

JJJ.

4,879 posts

40 months

Monday 23rd March
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Very nice, just not that colour.

S600BSB

7,677 posts

131 months

Monday 23rd March
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Fabulous.

Spidermoor

107 posts

32 months

Monday 23rd March
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Having just posted to say you'd REALLY have to want the MST to pay £70k+, I'm now going to completely contradict myself and say I'd take this in a heartbeat.
Stunning.

WPA

14,057 posts

139 months

Monday 23rd March
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That is gorgeous, would be my choice over the MST mk1

Turbobanana

8,060 posts

226 months

Monday 23rd March
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Matt_T said:
Obviously I can't just buy a 100,000 mile car, restore it and put the mileage back to 600.

Edited by Matt_T on Monday 23 March 12:17
Yes you can.

As someone else said, the mileage can show anything, as long as you don't try to misrepresent it at sale.

Obviously you need to think hard before you do it: they're only original once and all that, and the car may become less appealing to some if they can't trace its full mileage history. But a full restoration / rebuild pretty much resets the clocks anyway, so why not?

Colour of this one wouldn't be my first choice, but it works well with the interior.

AC43

13,438 posts

233 months

Monday 23rd March
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Love these.

Twoshoe

984 posts

209 months

Monday 23rd March
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Unlike others, I do like that colour. It's the wheels I'm not sure about.

Davie

6,028 posts

240 months

Monday 23rd March
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Cool thing but... and I'm prepared to show my ignorance here... if you're going to remove the bumpers for "reasons" then leaving the bumper mounting points looks a bit crap. Or maybe I've missed the point.

the-norseman

15,266 posts

196 months

Monday 23rd March
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Gorgeous, but it needs to be red IMHO.

Geoffcapes

1,172 posts

189 months

Monday 23rd March
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Be still my beating heart!

Absolutely stunning! I'd take this in a heartbeat over any retro Ford or whatever.


GTRene

21,357 posts

249 months

Monday 23rd March
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Twoshoe said:
Unlike others, I do like that colour. It's the wheels I'm not sure about.
I like it better then another one in Red.

also, price seems nice compared to some others.

never driven one sadly, so no idea how or, with what other car to compare it.

B10

1,367 posts

292 months

Monday 23rd March
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Lovely. I would just put the bumpers on it.

Matt_T

1,198 posts

99 months

Monday 23rd March
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Turbobanana said:
Matt_T said:
Obviously I can't just buy a 100,000 mile car, restore it and put the mileage back to 600.
Yes you can.

As someone else said, the mileage can show anything, as long as you don't try to misrepresent it at sale...
I did not know this, thanks for clarifying Turbobanana