RE: Manual Maserati 4200GT | Spotted
RE: Manual Maserati 4200GT | Spotted
Wednesday 25th March

Manual Maserati 4200GT | Spotted

That V8, three pedals and fewer than 50,000 miles - for even less than you'd think...


Let’s all sit back for a moment and ponder the magical combination that is a naturally aspirated V8 and a six-speed manual. Bliss, right? Well, what was a reasonably familiar configuration not so long ago is now basically extinct, meaning recent cars that boast the layout are really in demand: think of stuff like the BMW E90 M3 and E39 M5, the B7 Audi RS4, the final Ferraris that could be had with a manual, the Aston Martin Vantage and so on. While some remain accessible (relatively speaking), there’s definitely been a step up in recent years. 

Not here, though. What we have here is a Maserati 4200GT, and if you’re after nat-asp V8, six-speed manual, rarity and style for not much money then it’s hard to think of very much better. Launched when automated manuals were all the rage, quite a few were specced with what Maserati called a Cambiocorsa. More than two decades later, that looks less desirable than ever. Whereas a Ferrari derived V8 that makes peak power at 7,000rpm, allied to an actual six-speed manual, sounds brilliant. 

Nobody’s pretending that the 4200 was the greatest GT in the world. It didn’t have the turbo torque of the 3200 that came before it, or those amazing lights. It was a less spiky drive, at least. A Jaguar XKR was typically regarded as better to drive, and the arrival of the Bangle 6 Series made the Maserati look as modern as the colosseum. The Gransport, without doubt, was the best this car got, but you’ll pay for the privilege. And still not get a manual gearbox. 

Whereas this one does, and that makes it really cool. Imagine how good it could sound with a special exhaust and you entirely in control of the shifts. It would surely become a lot easier to overlook the cost of parts and iffy Skyhook dampers. Especially at just 12 grand. 

That’s right, £11,995 for a manual Maserati that looks like this. One with fewer than 50,000 miles and just three owners in almost 25 years, the most recent keeping hold of it for a decade. There’s said to be a full service history across Maser dealers and specialists, with nothing enormously concerning in the MOT history. Indeed the biggest worry may simply be that it hasn’t been used very much for a few years, but as concerns go for modern classic Maseratis that doesn’t feel major. 

Of course it’s going to cost a lot to run. Perhaps it’ll need some money spent initially to get it set for the summer, though just from the photos there are four matching tyres, really nice wheels, a smart interior and well preserved paint. There are good signs, basically, however much they’re worth. In a world where it can seem like even £20k doesn’t buy very much, a Maserati of this calibre for not a little more than half that sounds great. The advert even suggests values are ‘rising steadily’ - so it might even be worth £15k one day, if you’re lucky…


SPECIFICATION | MASERATI 4200GT

Engine: 4,244cc, V8
Transmission: 6-speed manual, rear-wheel drive
Power (hp): 385@7,000rpm
Torque (lb ft): 332@4,500rpm
CO2: 430g/km
MPG: 15.2
Recorded mileage: 47,486
Year registered: 2002
Price new: c. £65,000
Yours for: £11,995

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stuart100

Original Poster:

1,099 posts

82 months

Tuesday 24th March
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These make a nice noise when they are actually running.

Dombilano

1,381 posts

80 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Still rather have the spikey 3200. What's with the 1996 mondeo aerial sticking out of the rear 3/4 panel?

shalmaneser

6,324 posts

220 months

Tuesday 24th March
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I was seriously tempted by a manual 4200. Would be a super cool car, especially in the lovely blue colour. Two things put me off, namely they're not ULEZ compliant (very irritating) and there is a rear suspension arm with integrated ball joint that is out of production with no aftermarket support. If that goes, you're toast. There was someone working on a replacement but it was serious cash (~1k per side). So something to bear in mind!

Baddie

777 posts

242 months

Tuesday 24th March
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shalmaneser said:
I was seriously tempted by a manual 4200. Would be a super cool car, especially in the lovely blue colour. Two things put me off, namely they're not ULEZ compliant (very irritating) and there is a rear suspension arm with integrated ball joint that is out of production with no aftermarket support. If that goes, you're toast. There was someone working on a replacement but it was serious cash (~1k per side). So something to bear in mind!
This.

If it was just mechanical and electrical complexity I might think a decent specialist and some spanner-time would buy me some nice days out. Add the cost / availability of parts and it become a proper roll of the dice. It’s a roll of the dice it turns into a pile of parts, and I don’t roll that high.

Taz73

418 posts

37 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Gorgeous thing, that the above lack of part availability can kill it is criminal, Maserati should be producing these parts, I’ve read somewhere that BMW are quite bad at producing parts for older cars as well. I would have thought parts availability in the USA would be better as don’t they have laws requiring it? So maybe there’s a place to source from? Otherwise this could well be a risk to far and should surely be cheaper.

Unreal

9,510 posts

50 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Baddie said:
shalmaneser said:
I was seriously tempted by a manual 4200. Would be a super cool car, especially in the lovely blue colour. Two things put me off, namely they're not ULEZ compliant (very irritating) and there is a rear suspension arm with integrated ball joint that is out of production with no aftermarket support. If that goes, you're toast. There was someone working on a replacement but it was serious cash (~1k per side). So something to bear in mind!
This.

If it was just mechanical and electrical complexity I might think a decent specialist and some spanner-time would buy me some nice days out. Add the cost / availability of parts and it become a proper roll of the dice. It s a roll of the dice it turns into a pile of parts, and I don t roll that high.
And another. The downside is way too high for a car that's really no looker or that special.

Blib

47,362 posts

222 months

Tuesday 24th March
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I test drove a manual 4200 spyder last year. The pedals were too closely spaced for me.

I've owned a 4200 CC. One Friday evening rush hour, in crawling traffic on the Brent Cross flyover, the clutch gave out.

I made Capital Radio's traffic news with that.

bowtie

SE2

377 posts

161 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Man maths tells me that if you're running something cheap daily, then using this once a month and keeping it sweet wouldn't be the worst idea. Second and third gear runs, manually. Chef's kiss.

Jap90s

1,879 posts

146 months

Tuesday 24th March
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If you want a manual V8, there really aren't many choices and I've considered one of these for years

This is around £4,000 overpriced

I think I'd buy an M3 or get a manual conversion on an XKR

SE2

377 posts

161 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Jap90s said:
If you want a manual V8, there really aren't many choices and I've considered one of these for years

This is around £4,000 overpriced

I think I'd buy an M3 or get a manual conversion on an XKR
The general lack of manuals with big engines is the thing I hate most about modern motoring and largely why I have a Tesla. To get that performance level in my preferred choice of manual inline 6 or V8 that could stand up to the rigors of daily use, would be considerably more expensive to buy and run.

At that point, you might as well go EV and hope to save enough to get something fun as a weekend toy.

WPA

14,057 posts

139 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Unreal said:
Baddie said:
shalmaneser said:
I was seriously tempted by a manual 4200. Would be a super cool car, especially in the lovely blue colour. Two things put me off, namely they're not ULEZ compliant (very irritating) and there is a rear suspension arm with integrated ball joint that is out of production with no aftermarket support. If that goes, you're toast. There was someone working on a replacement but it was serious cash (~1k per side). So something to bear in mind!
This.

If it was just mechanical and electrical complexity I might think a decent specialist and some spanner-time would buy me some nice days out. Add the cost / availability of parts and it become a proper roll of the dice. It s a roll of the dice it turns into a pile of parts, and I don t roll that high.
And another. The downside is way too high for a car that's really no looker or that special.
Agreed

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,620 posts

123 months

Tuesday 24th March
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"and the arrival of the Bangle 6 Series made the Maserati look as modern as the colosseum" - Eh ?

Turbobanana

8,060 posts

226 months

Tuesday 24th March
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BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
"and the arrival of the Bangle 6 Series made the Maserati look as modern as the colosseum" - Eh ?
Quite. Replace "as modern as the Colosseum" with "better than ever" and it stands.

I never realised how many people rule out something because of the possibility (however remote) that a part might fail. Europe is probably rich with breakers' yards happy to sell you a replacement if and when the time comes.

I'd happily trade my Fulvia for this, if someone could make my garage 20% bigger.

Dr G

15,856 posts

267 months

Tuesday 24th March
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From a conversation on these with a customer ages ago; he made reference to an expensive suspension rebuild, but it being hugely less expensive than using Maserati parts.

This appears to be the company he spoke of: https://www.vps-eu.com/product-page/maserati-4200-...

I remember him showing me a picture on his phone of the car up on stilts in his garage whole the bits were all off for reconditioning.

Never likely to be in a position myself where I could make such a silly purchase myself, but I 100% see the appeal.

Unreal

9,510 posts

50 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Turbobanana said:
BigChiefmuffinAgain said:
"and the arrival of the Bangle 6 Series made the Maserati look as modern as the colosseum" - Eh ?
Quite. Replace "as modern as the Colosseum" with "better than ever" and it stands.

I never realised how many people rule out something because of the possibility (however remote) that a part might fail. Europe is probably rich with breakers' yards happy to sell you a replacement if and when the time comes.

I'd happily trade my Fulvia for this, if someone could make my garage 20% bigger.
It's not the possibility of parts failing, which is an inevitability with old cars, it's when the part is NLA or extortionately expensive to obtain that people are put off. I sincerely doubt that Europe's breakers are rich with broken 4200s.

An old Maserati that was not produced in large numbers is different to something like an SL Merc or equivalent Jaguar or even a later Maser. I'd put up with that on something that was a real head turner and exceptional to drive, but not on a car lie the one featured. Others may like the shape but I think it's totally underwhelming.

pycraft

1,300 posts

209 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Unreal said:
And another. The downside is way too high for a car that's really no looker or that special.
Each to their own. For many years the Coupe (well, mostly a 3200) was my attainable dream car after the mrs hired me one (navy over tan) for a weekend many, many birthdays ago. I always found the shape to be tasteful and restrained, far less gaudy and shouty than the Gran Turismo that followed it. It's like the 456 looks better than the 612.

I later had a 440 that was faster than the Maser, better screwed together, handled better. But it could never be cooler than it.

dpop

281 posts

157 months

Tuesday 24th March
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I'll never get the image out of my mind of seeing a spider one of these in a heavy downpour in London, with its roof mechanism broken/stuck in a semi-open position. The unfortunate owner was absolutely soaked while standing outside trying to yank the roof shut - unsuccessfully as the mechanism was completely "frozen". Meanwhile, his lady companion remained in the passenger seat looking very unimpressed and completely humiliated as the rain poured down on her.

Jap90s

1,879 posts

146 months

Tuesday 24th March
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dpop said:
I'll never get the image out of my mind of seeing a spider one of these in a heavy downpour in London, with its roof mechanism broken/stuck in a semi-open position. The unfortunate owner was absolutely soaked while standing outside trying to yank the roof shut - unsuccessfully as the mechanism was completely "frozen". Meanwhile, his lady companion remained in the passenger seat looking very unimpressed and completely humiliated as the rain poured down on her.
That's Italian 'character'

That Japanese cars don't have biglaugh

Geoffcapes

1,172 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th March
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Unreal said:
And another. The downside is way too high for a car that's really no looker or that special.
When I owned a 4200, I would say that every time I stopped for petrol, people complimented on how gorgeous it was.
Contrast that with my Granturismo, whereas no one said a word.

Go figure!

Geoffcapes

1,172 posts

189 months

Tuesday 24th March
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The thing that is missing from this write up, and clearly the author has never driven one, is that the gear linkage is cable driven, from the front of the car to the gearbox at the back, so lets be polite hear, and say the gearshift is a little ponderous and vague at times.

Whereas the Cambiocorsa (CC) when it is sport it's instantaneous (obviously nowhere near as quick as todays autos, but still quicker than you can change gear manually).
The CC makes for a much better drivers car.

Yes, they can be ruinously expensive (ask me how I know!) but, they get under your skin, especially in the gorgeous Grigio Nuvolari that mine is, and this one, although the pics don't do it justice!

Here's my old beast.