Optimum Ownership Proposition

[garystoybox]

Having owned by 812SF for close to 6 years, I’ve given up (I think) on getting anything to replace it. I’ve tried to convince myself with the 296 and the 12C but after multiple extended test drives, neither gave me the ‘fizz’ I get when jumping back in to my own car. Previous to this I was a serial swapper circa every 24 months, through 430, 458’s and 488; each replacement seeming to move the game on for me.

I almost traded for a 488 Pista 12 months ago. An extra £60k in would have got me a beautiful car. You might think that I’d regret not doing this, given that the Pista values are increasing, but to be honest I’m glad I didn’t. I don’t buy cars as an investment, but equally it’s nice to be able to enjoy these toys and not lose an arm and a leg on them. That would have been the issue with the Pista. I.e. it would have turned in to an investment because deep down I would have know that every 2-3k per annum was having a disproportionate effect on its value. The reason you can’t find a nice Pista now is for the reason that they are being bought by collectors with an eye on future values. I would not have been able to enjoy using the car.

So what is the optimum car? For me it’s one where I can enjoy adding 2-3 thousand miles each year without worrying about the impact on the cars value. If it depreciates slightly because of this, fine, but equally some cars may hold fairly steady in value. With thus in mind I think I’ll keep the 812. What other vehicles would you consider fall in to this category?

[JJ77]

Top of my head, I would say F12, 675 LT, 991.2 Touring, DBS Manual.. BMW M1

[Babw]

Curious to know your perceived depreciation on your car, how many miles you’ve put on it and a rough specification?

(I was an 812SF owner albeit for a short period and looking to get back in one. I wanted an electric seat car for my use previously but finding the carbon seat cars sell much quicker* for a higher price.

• Maybe not just carbon seats in isolation but the higher spec cars with carbon seats)

[garystoybox]

Babw said:

Curious to know your perceived depreciation on your car, how many miles you ve put on it and a rough specification?

(I was an 812SF owner albeit for a short period and looking to get back in one. I wanted an electric seat car for my use previously but finding the carbon seat cars sell much quicker* for a higher price.

• Maybe not just carbon seats in isolation but the higher spec cars with carbon seats)

Bought my car early in COVID when prices had dropped in lockdown and before the bounce back. It listed at £351k so c£90k+ of options and an Atelier car. Bought for £229k when it was 13 months old with 2,000 miles on it. Now at 9,200 miles. Grigio Titanio with most of the internal and external carbon. Silver race wheels. I think it was 95% what I would have specced if I’d been willing to go for an initial factory build. Fortunately, the race seats suit me well as a tall chap.

[paul0843]

I was recently on the hunt for an 812 SF,but ended with a Pista .The values seem to be climbing,but my
view on this is that I can put 2-3k miles a year on the car and still be able to get out for similar money
I paid. It’s definitely got under my skin.
Have you considered an F8 ?
Very similar car to a Pista,but significantly cheaper.
Paul

[hornbaek]

I m looking for an 812SF or GTS as the moment. I m not convinced about the 12 Cylindri and would prefer a newer 812 instead as a GT car. How is it with space, I’m 6:4 in the GTS. Do you need to go for the racing seats in order to have enough headroom and does the same apply for the SF.

[maura]

paul0843 said:

I was recently on the hunt for an 812 SF,but ended with a Pista .The values seem to be climbing,but my
view on this is that I can put 2-3k miles a year on the car and still be able to get out for similar money
I paid. It s definitely got under my skin.
Have you considered an F8 ?
Very similar car to a Pista,but significantly cheaper.
Paul

Have owned both, F8 feels nothing like a Pista.

[garystoybox]

maura said:

Have owned both, F8 feels nothing like a Pista.

I had thought about an F8, good call. Think they made less F8’s then Pista? But the Pista (to me) looks incredible.

[garystoybox]

hornbaek said:

I m looking for an 812SF or GTS as the moment. I m not convinced about the 12 Cylindri and would prefer a newer 812 instead as a GT car. How is it with space, I m 6:4 in the GTS. Do you need to go for the racing seats in order to have enough headroom and does the same apply for the SF.

I’m 6:3 but long in the leg. To be honest even with the race seats in the SF I’m right on the comfort limit for seat travel. Head height fine for me with either seat option. Tried a GTS with race seats and just too uncomfortable for me for it to be an option as loses another couple of inches leg room over the SF. Also the pre GPF Superfast sound stupendous. Hence the dealers wanting to buy in the 2019 cars and supposedly an easier sell then the 2020+ cars?

[paul0843]

Oh really ,do you mind sharing your thoughts?
Have only had mine a few weeks now … can think of no other car I would have at the moment ,even if budget was not an issue.
Paul

[Babw]

garystoybox said:

Bought my car early in COVID when prices had dropped in lockdown and before the bounce back. It listed at £351k so c£90k+ of options and an Atelier car. Bought for £229k when it was 13 months old with 2,000 miles on it. Now at 9,200 miles. Grigio Titanio with most of the internal and external carbon. Silver race wheels. I think it was 95% what I would have specced if I d been willing to go for an initial factory build. Fortunately, the race seats suit me well as a tall chap.

That’s outstanding. I paid 200k for my previous one with 19k miles which was a good deal at the time, if anything the prices are stronger today.

I’m expecting to pay £210-£230k dependent on spec so in 5 years there’s been little to no depreciation when taking your initial purchase price as a reference.

[DeejRC]

I think the Aston V12S are the obvious answer. The Vanqs, DBS and V12VS. Absolute bargains at the moment, you can run them till the cows come home and they aren t going to be worth less than £50k all day long.

And before anyone says this is the Ferrari V12 forum, the Aston 12s make a direct comparison against the question being asked. I mean my default answer to the OP would be an F12, but then you are looking at £150k for a decent one v £60-80k for the Astons with the added ability of putting as many miles on them as you want. And a glorious sound. It’s the debate I have regularly with myself.

Edited by DeejRC on Monday 6th April 22:58

[Panamax]

hornbaek said:

I'm not convinced about the 12 Cylindri.

Had a look at one over the weekend, very nice indeed.

[garystoybox]

DeejRC said:

I think the Aston V12S are the obvious answer. The Vanqs, DBS and V12VS. Absolute bargains at the moment, you can run them till the cows come home and they aren t going to be worth less than £50k all day long.

And before anyone says this is the Ferrari V12 forum, the Aston 12s make a direct comparison against the question being asked. I mean my default answer to the OP would be an F12, but then you are looking at £150k for a decent one v £60-80k for the Astons with the added ability of putting as many miles on them as you want. And a glorious sound. It s the debate I have regularly with myself.

Edited by DeejRC on Monday 6th April 22:58

Agree…. The Vanquish to my eyes is one of the most stunning and timeless designs ever.