RE: New BMW iX5 Hydrogen primed for 385-mile range
RE: New BMW iX5 Hydrogen primed for 385-mile range
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New BMW iX5 Hydrogen primed for 385-mile range

Novel tank storage system is claimed to have unlocked additional miles for the incoming fuel cell model


When we last caught up with the iX5 Hydrogen, it was to share some good news: the version that BMW had been endlessly testing around the globe would, in the not-too-distant future, become a production reality. Meaning that by 2028, when the firm was expected to have larger-scale fuel cell manufacturing safely underway, we should be able to walk into a BMW dealership and be presented with a choice of five (count ‘em) powertrain options. In partnership with Toyota, it will be the firm’s first series-production hydrogen-powered model. 

In the meantime, despite already being in the third generation of its shared technology, we understood that there was still much tinkering to be done. Now, with the all-important i3 successfully launched, BMW has found time to update us on its progress. Granted, the news that it will be adopting new tank technology - the system dubbed BMW Hydrogen Flat Storage for seemingly obvious reasons - might lack the shiny appeal of a Neue Klasse saloon, but it is notable nonetheless. 

First and foremost, because the manufacturer suggests that the size and new arrangement of the tanks have permitted a bigger range - up to 385 miles, all being well. While this falls short of the distances claimed by a new generation of EVs, the iX5 Hydrogen comes with the obvious advantage of very fast (i.e. five minutes, according to BMW) refuelling from empty. Assuming, of course, that you’ve found somewhere in the UK to supply the hydrogen in the first place - but let’s not get bogged down in that persistent issue.

Secondly, while it may not look revolutionary, the new arrangement is said to make ‘exceptionally efficient use of the space it occupies in the vehicle’, which is convenient for two reasons. One, none of the iX5’s interior has been sacrificed to accommodate the new tanks, and two, thanks to compatibility with BMW’s Gen6 high-voltage battery, cars that feature fuel cells can be assembled on the same production line as any other drive system, thereby reducing cost and complexity.  

Thirdly, because BMW has squeezed its new metal frame (consisting of seven high-pressure tanks made from carbon fibre reinforced composite) into the existing body structure, it points out that the arrangement benefits from the ‘mechanical protection’ of the iX5’s architecture - which feels like a good thing when you’re carting about 7 kilograms worth of hydrogen pressurised to 700 bar. 

For the record, the innovation is less in the tanks themselves than in this relationship with each other. Instead of individual pressure valves, BMW has created several chambers that form an enclosed unit, which is itself controlled by a central main valve— a development sufficiently novel for it to be the subject of several patent applications. “Our new storage concept allows us to fit the hydrogen drive system into the new X5 precisely and in a way that saves space,” preached company CTO, Dr Joachim Post. “Think of it as installation Tetris: every customer gets the drive system best suited to their needs and a true BMW X5 with no compromises.” Roll on 2028, eh?


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RedLightGreenLight

Original Poster:

132 posts

48 months

Well done BMW for trying an alternative fuel, good to see innovation.

Now just waiting for the usual PH key board warrior suspects and negative comments that the only way is EV - nothing else…. Then the blinding of science etc etc

Terminator X

19,636 posts

228 months

Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.

Cristio Nasser

551 posts

17 months

Great, a worse EV that you can’t fill up at home, or anywhere for that matter. It’s the 10x more expensive to run savior we need according to those that have had a basic maths bypass.

Edited by Cristio Nasser on Thursday 9th April 04:23

Magikarp

1,589 posts

72 months

Terminator X said:
Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.
Tedious.

Huevos

36 posts

1 month

Slowly but surely, whilst the government still try to force people into products that a the majority of them don't want, behind the scenes the real game changer gathers momentum. See also JCB who plan to start mass production of Hydrogen powered construction equipment this year. And the power needed to produce hydrogen fuel that can be stored in bulk, the perfect use for those intermittent windmills - after all wind power is cheap, right? And as it scales, costs will come down.

frisbee

5,493 posts

134 months

Bodge-tastic!rofl

It looks like something the A-team knocked up.

Doesitdrive

790 posts

5 months

Magikarp said:
Terminator X said:
Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.
Tedious.
I think it was tongue in cheek, apparently Ford have been working with Toyota on this too. BMW won't be the only ones.

FWIW

3,852 posts

121 months

rofl

Is this rage bait?

Cristio Nasser

551 posts

17 months

Huevos said:
Slowly but surely, whilst the government still try to force people into products that a the majority of them don't want, behind the scenes the real game changer gathers momentum. See also JCB who plan to start mass production of Hydrogen powered construction equipment this year. And the power needed to produce hydrogen fuel that can be stored in bulk, the perfect use for those intermittent windmills - after all wind power is cheap, right? And as it scales, costs will come down.
Ahh, bless.
laugh

jhayward1980

155 posts

238 months

RedLightGreenLight said:
Well done BMW for trying an alternative fuel, good to see innovation.

Now just waiting for the usual PH key board warrior suspects and negative comments that the only way is EV - nothing else . Then the blinding of science etc etc
You know this is an EV right?

PSB1967

437 posts

180 months

9800 Psi is not something I want sitting on my drive.

I wonder how long the life of these canisters will be?

And once 'out of date' will there be adequate legislation to force their replacement? We all know someone who skimps on servicing.

Will we see Cat N cars without a proper and expensive safety tests sold back into the market via Copart and the like, literally like UXB's?


Jon_S_Rally

4,344 posts

112 months

Cristio Nasser said:
Great, a worse EV that you can t fill up at home, or anywhere for that matter. It s the 10x more expensive to run savior we need according to those that have had a basic maths bypass.

Edited by Cristio Nasser on Thursday 9th April 04:23
This is bound to be the first of a wave of negative posts, so I'll ask you - why do you think BMW (and others) are spending money on this if it has no future? Perhaps just as importantly, why are you so desperate for them not to?

While I personally prefer ICE, I have nothing against EVs and accept that, in the future, the vast majority of new cars will be electric. I might own EVs in the future, I might not. I'm genuinely trying to be pretty open-minded about the whole thing. With that in mind, I find it a bit weird that some folk seem so upset by hydrogen and keep claiming it has no place. If it was the dead-end that some claim, no one would be bothering, especially given the financial strife in the industry right now.

It's like some folk are desperate to prove that the technology they prefer is "right", and that everyone else is wrong. Such militancy about metal boxes and the stuff that powers them is really quite bizarre. The world is big place, with lots and lots of people in it. While it might not play a role in the UK, hydrogen might work in some places for some people. If that's the case, I'd rather manufacturers were trying to innovate and find the best solutions to meet the needs of end users, rather than stubbornly claiming one solution is better than all the others. That's exactly the kind of closed-minded thinking that stunts technological and societal progress.

swisstoni

22,577 posts

303 months

PSB1967 said:
9800 Psi is not something I want sitting on my drive.

I wonder how long the life of these canisters will be?

And once 'out of date' will there be adequate legislation to force their replacement? We all know someone who skimps on servicing.

Will we see Cat N cars without a proper and expensive safety tests sold back into the market via Copart and the like, literally like UXB's?

Obviously nobody has considered any of this and have just thought fk it lets bang something together.

raspy

2,382 posts

118 months

Terminator X said:
Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.
So tell me, what is the UK government strategy towards hydrogen? What is the UK government's plan for enabling the rollout of refuelling stations for hydrogen passenger cars?


TheDrownedApe

1,618 posts

80 months

why do any of you rise to these troll comments - just don't answer them, it's simple.

I do wonder about the mentality and intelligence of some PH users.

SDK

2,986 posts

277 months

Terminator X said:
Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.
The €300 million hydrogen funding for BMW from the EU helps idea

cerb4.5lee

41,863 posts

204 months

raspy said:
Terminator X said:
Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.
So tell me, what is the UK government strategy towards hydrogen? What is the UK government's plan for enabling the rollout of refuelling stations for hydrogen passenger cars?
In fairness the UK government got it wrong with diesel, and they aren't doing that well with electric either(petrol is still easily winning the day for new car sales in comparison for example). So you do make a fair point I reckon.

The UK government never seem to have a strategy that works to me...when it comes to cars anyway.

Fastlane

1,341 posts

241 months

1950 - Hydrogen is the future!
2000 - Hydrogen is the future!
2020 - Hydrogen is the future!
2030 - Hydrogen is the future!

Huevos

36 posts

1 month

cerb4.5lee said:
raspy said:
Terminator X said:
Why are BM persisting with this? The EV crowd tell us it's a dead end after all rofl

TX.
So tell me, what is the UK government strategy towards hydrogen? What is the UK government's plan for enabling the rollout of refuelling stations for hydrogen passenger cars?
In fairness the UK government got it wrong with diesel, and they aren't doing that well with electric either(petrol is still easily winning the day for new car sales in comparison for example). So you do make a fair point I reckon.

The UK government never seem to have a strategy that works to me...when it comes to cars anyway.
The UK Government is fully signed up to UN Agenda 2030, and beholden to various other unelected and unaccountable NGO's, lobbyists, etc, and only ever pays token lip service to the wants and needs of the electorate every 4-5 years or so before quickly forgetting what they promised. Once you understand that, everything else about our recent direction of travel starts to make sense.

Electronicpants

3,038 posts

212 months