RE: Retrofitted manual Ferrari 430 Scuderia offered
RE: Retrofitted manual Ferrari 430 Scuderia offered
Sunday 19th April

Retrofitted manual Ferrari 430 Scuderia offered

Ever wondered what a three-pedal Scuderia might be like? Wonder no longer... 


This was inevitable, really. As new supercars become ever more complex and capable - and therefore less exploitable on the road - so enthusiasts might be tempted to seek out a retrograde step for the sake of accessible, old-school thrills. This modified Ferrari 430 Scuderia isn’t exactly the first instance of such an attitude taking hold (and thinking of 2008 as the proper past will still take some getting used to) but it’s intriguing enough to take a closer look at. 

Ferrari’s current crop is the perfect example of being offered too much of a good thing. Look at the 296 Speciale - where, honestly, are you going to drive a near-900hp supercar with the best dual-clutch ever created, otherworldly assists and freakishly sorted suspension? Even on track you’re going to be held up by 640hp Huracan Performantes and 630hp Maserati MC20s, such is the gulf in performance. It’ll reach 124mph in seven seconds for crying out loud. It sounds like an exercise in frustration. 

Indeed it says something of the crazy point that’s been reached that we’re now looking at 500hp supercars of the '00s for some respite. 20 years old next years, the 430 Scuderia needs revs, boasts 200lb ft less than a new Speciale - and promises raw excitement like little else. The 360 Challenge Stradale was always celebrated as the first of these 21st-century Maranello road racers; the later 458 Speciale hailed as nothing less than just about the greatest supercar ever. It means the 430 Scuderia (remember no ‘F’ for the special one) has, relatively speaking, flown under the radar in terms of recognition and values. 

All of them were very special, even the wildly valuable 16M drop-top, because stripped-out, naturally aspirated Ferraris are seldom anything but. This one is especially notable, however, as the first gated manual Scuderia we’ve ever seen. Reinstating a clutch pedal and lever has become a popular swap in recent years for automated manuals, because the tech was crap and the cars with SMGs, e-gears and the like are now sufficiently valuable that it’s worth investing in them. What makes the Scuderia a notable car for the swap is that it featured Ferrari’s F1 gearbox at its very best, with shifts in as little as 60 milliseconds. After this came the DCT 458, so you might even say there’s a significance attached to the ultimate evolution of the technology. 

Nevertheless, it’s happened, and it’s hard to suggest that the open gate and knob looks anything but right at home, especially matched to the colourway. It looks boxfresh because it was completed in February, ready for whoever is lucky enough to get to drive the Scuderia next. According to the advert, the ‘de-automation’ of the manual - that’s a good phrase - ‘reoptimises the exhilarating soundtrack and driveability of the Scuderia for road use’. Maybe it isn’t exactly how Maranello intended, but you wouldn’t be alone in dreaming about what the best Ferrari 430 with three drilled pedals might be like.

The price is on application; given the work recently invested and the modest mileage (just 10k; it’s been in a few collections), this 430 Scuderia might carry a premium over comparable cars. On the other hand, clearly it’s no longer in its original spec, which might put some people off. Which side of the fence do you fall on? Is a 430 Scuderia more desirable as standard, or with a freshly introduced click-clack symphony? Either way, it's unlikely to be the last such conversion given a very modern craving for interaction. Best get practising your heel and toe…  


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GianiCakes

Original Poster:

619 posts

97 months

For me, having owned a Scuderia for 10 years, this is not the right car for such a conversion. The Scud had the very best iteration of the single clutch automated manual gearbox and it’s a defining characteristic of the car that matches the free revving engine.
Cars with a cross plane V8 and a less capable gearbox (previous gen Vantage immediately springs to mind) would be far better candidates.

GianiCakes

Original Poster:

619 posts

97 months

Ffs it didn’t post then did it twice and I can’t see a way to delete the 2nd message so now I’m having a chat with myself

Bispoto

147 posts

96 months

I wouldn’t disagree. You could get a manual in the 430 as stock, so there was a reason why Ferrari didn’t put a manual in this car.

I would have it either way personally, but as an investment I would leave it as original.

Iamnotkloot

1,868 posts

171 months

It does look right, though, and how many manuals are there, so it’s a thumbs up from me.

Augustus Windsock

3,729 posts

179 months

A car
Something to be driven rather than looked at and admired like an oil painting
If I had the money to buy this, and the driving experience was the deciding factor rather than its investment potential, then it would be in my garage in a flash.

AB

19,796 posts

219 months

They don't make them like this anymore do they! Simple but beautiful externally and the interior with the yellow stitching looks awesome.

I'd love one.

BigChiefmuffinAgain

1,608 posts

122 months

Strange. I'm assuming the owner bought it as an investment and figured switching it to manual would make it worth more than the cost, as they're selling it imminently after. Not sure they have that right here ...

Clivey

5,585 posts

228 months

Bispoto said:
I wouldn t disagree. You could get a manual in the 430 as stock, so there was a reason why Ferrari didn t put a manual in this car.

I would have it either way personally, but as an investment I would leave it as original.
Ferrari also thought that haptic steering wheel controls and removing physical buttons, knobs and switches was the way forward. They're now backtracking to the extent that 12 Cilindris are now being advertised with the steering wheel button retrofit as a subheading / leading feature.


SE2

315 posts

160 months

16M mentioned, I'd be lusting after one of those with a manual swap.

Got to see a yellow one not long after launch as it was utterly drop dead gorgeous. This one is also very nice, if not my colour preference.

Edited by SE2 on Sunday 19th April 09:16

Wills2

28,298 posts

199 months


Pricing has gone bananas on the 360 CS, Scuderia and Speciale in the last few weeks/months, mental money being asked.


_Neal_

2,895 posts

243 months

Clivey said:
Bispoto said:
I wouldn t disagree. You could get a manual in the 430 as stock, so there was a reason why Ferrari didn t put a manual in this car.

I would have it either way personally, but as an investment I would leave it as original.
Ferrari also thought that haptic steering wheel controls and removing physical buttons, knobs and switches was the way forward. They're now backtracking to the extent that 12 Cilindris are now being advertised with the steering wheel button retrofit as a subheading / leading feature.
It's a very different point though - steering wheel buttons (haptic or not) don't fundamentally change how the car drives. The super fast 'box on the Scud does.

The conversion looks superbly done but I'd say it just makes a special car more "ordinary" by taking away one of its key features. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

GreatScott2016

2,297 posts

112 months

GianiCakes said:
Ffs it didn t post then did it twice and I can t see a way to delete the 2nd message so now I m having a chat with myself
I think most of us have been there at some point hehe

CH80

360 posts

21 months

This was a misplaced conversion that has significantly impacted the value of the car. Shame.

Edited by CH80 on Sunday 19th April 23:08

chunder

780 posts

270 months

Strange that on every Lexus IS-F thread the box (with a 50 ms change time) is called slow but with the Ferrari a 60 ms change is called super fast.

No real point to my post, just an observation.

LanceRS

2,209 posts

161 months

I like it very much. Having said that, I've never and am not likely to drive the original. I'm my limited experience, in a car that only goes out for fun, it should have 3 pedals.

Joscal

2,573 posts

224 months

Not sure about this and suppose only a drive could tell if it’s successful or not?

I’ve read very different takes on the 599 manual conversion so homework would need to be done here too.

They’ve aged so well haven’t they!

GTRene

21,194 posts

248 months

Love it, would like one, way more then a standard automatic





ok in LHD please.

ITP

2,495 posts

221 months

That looks very nice indeed, with the black/yellow.
I’d have 3 pedal and gearstick over 2 pedal too, but if you are never going to drive it anyway, like the previous owners with 10k miles in 18 years, it doesn’t matter what gearbox it has.

Augustus Windsock

3,729 posts

179 months

Upon reflection, I’ve never liked these in black, my personal choice, had I been ordering it new, would have been Grigio Silverstone or TdF Blue, although I seem to recall seeing one in green (Verde Zeltweg?)

GianiCakes

Original Poster:

619 posts

97 months

Just in case there’s any misconception you would never use a Scud in auto mode (and it’s very much not a trad auto box) but always with the shifters. It’s a satisfying mechanical feeling process and you interact with the car just as you would with a manual except for moving your left leg up and down.
I averaged around 1,500 miles a year in mine and ultimately that’s why I sold it. A long roadtrip, and I did a few, is not really its forte and I ended up just using it for an hour long drive going nowhere but back home again and that’s not a particularly satisfying thing to do. It’s a much better car as part of, say, a 5 car collection but then you’re probably not going to average more miles in it either. The joy of just owning a Ferrari should not be underestimated though and I do miss that, as well as 5 year olds pointing and visibly mouthing WOW! As you drive past. The stripe helps with that.