Northants police - again

[Pupp]

More apparent lying and corruption comes to light, with the tax payer picking up the (potentially significant) cost

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cre19dv1x7xo

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yxley0pp5o

Edited by Pupp on Friday 1st May 06:24

[CountyLines]

Both forces are fking idiots.

But £3M?

No.

[JagLover]

Saw this yesterday. Looks a clear case of police harassment.

[Vanden Saab]

CountyLines said:

Both forces are fking idiots.

But £3M?

No.

Been following this and fking idiots does not even start to cover it. Multiple police from 2 different forces lied again and again, repeatedly watched video footage of her going to the toilet. Arrested her to get the video back and then several police lied in court on more than one occasion in an unsuccessful attempt to try and save their and other police officers careers. All over posting messages that were not even illegal.
What is the correct amount of compensation for 5 years of hell, knowing multiple police officers have seen video of your genitals, being forcibly arrested unlawfully for a second time and having that video stolen and then police lying about it in court again and again?

[havoc]

So the £300k fine - is that from him personally or from the force (i.e. the public purse)? It had better bloody well be him...and you would hope that it it would be accompanied by him being thrown out of the force for gross misconduct.

Damages - sort of agree that it's excessive, and it's going to come out of the public purse so either be taxpayer-funded or funded through cuts to police services (so local taxpayers suffer either way). I'm trying to think what alternative penalties a civil court could command...at the very least all coppers involved should lose their jobs. Not because I'm anti-copper, but because:-
- graphic video should never have been taken and certainly should never have been watched/shared - that's like upskirting squared (and we all know people have lost their jobs over that), AND by people in a position of public trust.
- as a copper you can't lie to protect your colleagues
- as a copper you can't mis-use the force to protect your colleagues

...so surely there's enough there? But what else. How do we make sure it doesn't happen again / Northants public can trust their coppers again?

[borcy]

Strange how it's a civil trial, CPS not interested?

[CountyLines]

Vanden Saab said:

CountyLines said:

Both forces are fking idiots.

But £3M?

No.

Been following this and fking idiots does not even start to cover it. Multiple police from 2 different forces lied again and again, repeatedly watched video footage of her going to the toilet. Arrested her to get the video back and then several police lied in court on more than one occasion in an unsuccessful attempt to try and save their and other police officers careers. All over posting messages that were not even illegal.
What is the correct amount of compensation for 5 years of hell, knowing multiple police officers have seen video of your genitals, being forcibly arrested unlawfully for a second time and having that video stolen and then police lying about it in court again and again?

You're more well read up on it. Didn't realise it had been going on 5 years. Doesn't seem so excessive in light of that.

Utterly disgraceful.

Needs to be many many sackings.

[borcy]

I think stories like this are interesting in the sense you often read people saying there's no respect for institutions anymore.
What are the institutions doing to build that trust? Perhaps things like this have always happened, with FOI requests and bodyworn cameras* there's more tools to find this sort of thing.

• when its not mysterious lost or accidentally deleted.

[Vanden Saab]

borcy said:

I think stories like this are interesting in the sense you often read people saying there's no respect for institutions anymore.
What are the institutions doing to build that trust? Perhaps things like this have always happened, with FOI requests and bodyworn cameras* there's more tools to find this sort of thing.

• when its not mysterious lost or accidentally deleted.

I would like to think it was a one off but the way they behaved and the sheer brass neck of what they did suggests they were entirely confident they would get away with it thus suggesting it was not an isolated incident. I think most people would have walked away years ago thinking it really was not worth the grief.

[borcy]

Vanden Saab said:

I would like to think it was a one off but the way they behaved and the sheer brass neck of what they did suggests they were entirely confident they would get away with it thus suggesting it was not an isolated incident. I think most people would have walked away years ago thinking it really was not worth the grief.

Yes you do wonder how many times they've done this before.

[havoc]

borcy said:

Yes you do wonder how many times they've done this before.

Which is exactly why EVERY single one of them needs to be rooted out and booted out.

[tele_lover]

Why does she think her damages are worth 7 figures?

[SS427 Camaro]

How can anyone trust Plod…..

And to think that I wanted to be a Policeman when I grew up…..

[greygoose]

tele_lover said:

Why does she think her damages are worth 7 figures?

You focus on blaming the victim…

[tele_lover]

greygoose said:

tele_lover said:

Why does she think her damages are worth 7 figures?

You focus on blaming the victim

Where did I blame her?

I just asked why she thinks it's worth 7 figures

[captain_cynic]

tele_lover said:

greygoose said:

tele_lover said:

Why does she think her damages are worth 7 figures?

You focus on blaming the victim

Where did I blame her?

I just asked why she thinks it's worth 7 figures

You focused solely on the figure... not a thing to say about the wrongdoing.

Imagine if the police officer was an immigrant instead, I imagine you'd not consider the figure to be relevant at all.

[tele_lover]

captain_cynic said:

You focused solely on the figure... not a thing to say about the wrongdoing.

And that means I blamed the victim... how exactly?

[havoc]

tele_lover said:

captain_cynic said:

You focused solely on the figure... not a thing to say about the wrongdoing.

And that means I blamed the victim... how exactly?

You're asking the victim to justify their action. It does sound like you're having a go at them, whether you meant to or not.

5 years of hell, 5 years of knowing a bunch of people had unnecessarily assaulted her (twice?) and invaded her privacy in a horrible way, and were getting away with it, 5 years of a police force deliberately lying to and about her and obstructing justice in an orchestrated manner?

I think a high figure as a claim is a good way of focusing the force's (and general public's) attention on such corrupt behaviour. It'll be up to the court to decide both the merit of the case and the claim value.

[tele_lover]

havoc said:

tele_lover said:

captain_cynic said:

You focused solely on the figure... not a thing to say about the wrongdoing.

And that means I blamed the victim... how exactly?

You're asking the victim to justify their action. It does sound like you're having a go at them, whether you meant to or not.

5 years of hell, 5 years of knowing a bunch of people had unnecessarily assaulted her (twice?) and invaded her privacy in a horrible way, and were getting away with it, 5 years of a police force deliberately lying to and about her and obstructing justice in an orchestrated manner?

I think a high figure as a claim is a good way of focusing the force's (and general public's) attention on such corrupt behaviour. It'll be up to the court to decide both the merit of the case and the claim value.

She hasn't suffered £1m of damages (as far as I could tell) and why should the taxpayer fund her retirement?

Her compensation and the deterrent for the police should be separate.

Give her £50k and put the police responsible in prison for 2 years.

[havoc]

tele_lover said:

She hasn't suffered £1m of damages (as far as I could tell) and why should the taxpayer fund her retirement?

Her compensation and the deterrent for the police should be separate.

Give her £50k and put the police responsible in prison for 2 years.

I don't entirely disagree.

BUT...the civil court cannot impose criminal (and therefore custodial) sentences, and for some reason the CPS appear not to want to take this on. (I mean, surely witholding evidence is a crime?!? Lying in public office can't be a crime as otherwise 3/4 of our MPs would have reserved cells, and they can probably wheedle their way around excessive force in the second stop and possibly the whole video footage 'accident')

...so if she (and society, let's be fair - no-one wants corrupt cops except people who WANT to be able to break the law) can't get the justice she deserves, what CAN that court do - that's the question I asked above.