Amsterdam bans public adverts for meat and fossil fuels

[g3org3y]

BBC said:

Amsterdam has become the world's first capital city to ban public advertisements for both meat and fossil fuel products. Since 1 May, adverts for burgers, petrol cars and airlines have been stripped from billboards, tram shelters, and metro stations.

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Politicians in the city say the move is about bringing Amsterdam's streetscape into line with the local government's own environmental targets.

These aim for the Dutch capital to become carbon neutral by 2050, and for local people to halve their meat consumption over the same period.

"The climate crisis is very urgent," says Anneke Veenhoff from the GreenLeft Party. "I mean, if you want to be leading in climate policies and you rent out your walls to exactly the opposite, then what are you doing?

"Most people don't understand why the municipality should make money out of renting our public space with something that we are actively having policies against."

Link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9wejdekpwyo

[irc]

Posturing on a huge scale. This is a country where 76% of it's energy is from fossil fuels. They are never going to stop using them.

https://www.iea.org/countries/the-netherlands/ener...

[Ziplobb]

its the kind of madness that is boiling up over here . Zac made it to the cover of the Sunday Times mag yesterday.

[CoolHands]

Half the world is killing each other with bombs, missiles, bullets and worse. But don’t eat meat cos, it’ll destroy the world.

[butchstewie]

Apparently the ban doesn't apply to advertising in shops or private premises.

When it comes to public spaces I'm struggling to disagree with the principle tbh.

"Most people don't understand why the municipality should make money out of renting our public space with something that we are actively having policies against."

[jurbie]

Surely if there was money to be made advertising whatever is currently socially acceptable then they'd already be doing it and a ban wouldn't be required? It's likely there is a premium attached to these advertising locations and the only ones prepared to pay that premium are the car makers and oil companies.

Come back in a couple of years and see where we are, I'd take a punt that this policy will be quietly dropped when the advertising revenue falls through the floor.

[Earthdweller]

CoolHands said:

Half the world is killing each other with bombs, missiles, bullets and worse. But don t eat meat cos, it ll destroy the world.

Cow farts ... now that is an existential threat to the future of humanity, not nuclear war but farting cows ... apparently

[Furbo]

butchstewie said:

Apparently the ban doesn't apply to advertising in shops or private premises.

When it comes to public spaces I'm struggling to disagree with the principle tbh.

"Most people don't understand why the municipality should make money out of renting our public space with something that we are actively having policies against."

Except they are not awash with money and are raising taxes elsewhere.

Is it right that residents are financially penalised for the idealism of local councillors?

[Crumpet]

I know quite a lot of Dutch people and have a lot of Dutch friends. Half of them have left the country to live elsewhere. It’s another country that will slowly be destroying itself with insane ideological policies. Although, to be fair, whenever I visit it does still appear to be holding things together, unlike the UK which shows very visible decline wherever you go.

[Furbo]

A friend of mine is a director of Nottingham City Council. They were saying that this sort of thing is rife.

The policymakers say "we aren't doing XYZ because we are ideologically opposed to it".

"Fine, so where are you going to replace that income from?"

"Don't know. But we aren't doing it because we are ideologically opposed to it."

Meanwhile they are bankrupt.

[CoolHands]

Where I work now has ‘meat free Mondays’. Apparently we’re saving millions of tonnes of carbon whatevers whether we like it or not

Seems we’re bound up with another new organisation, who funds them? Seems to have been restarted by Stella McCartney

https://meatfreemondays.com/

[S600BSB]

CoolHands said:

Where I work now has meat free Mondays . Apparently we re saving millions of tonnes of carbon whatevers whether we like it or not

Seems we re bound up with another new organisation, who funds them? Seems to have been restarted by Stella McCartney

https://meatfreemondays.com/

Good for your diet/health and good for the environment. What’s not to love.

[Gargamel]

Earthdweller said:

Cow farts ... now that is an existential threat to the future of humanity, not nuclear war but farting cows ... apparently

For accuracy it’s the burping that’s the main issue.

[Furbo]

S600BSB said:

CoolHands said:

Where I work now has meat free Mondays . Apparently we re saving millions of tonnes of carbon whatevers whether we like it or not

Seems we re bound up with another new organisation, who funds them? Seems to have been restarted by Stella McCartney

https://meatfreemondays.com/

Good for your diet/health and good for the environment. What s not to love.

That he has no choice in the matter?

[Kwackersaki]

Furbo said:

S600BSB said:

CoolHands said:

Where I work now has meat free Mondays . Apparently we re saving millions of tonnes of carbon whatevers whether we like it or not

Seems we re bound up with another new organisation, who funds them? Seems to have been restarted by Stella McCartney

https://meatfreemondays.com/

Good for your diet/health and good for the environment. What s not to love.

That he has no choice in the matter?

Who doesn’t love a highly processed meat free burger?

[21TonyK]

CoolHands said:

Where I work now has meat free Mondays . Apparently we re saving millions of tonnes of carbon whatevers whether we like it or not

Seems we re bound up with another new organisation, who funds them? Seems to have been restarted by Stella McCartney

https://meatfreemondays.com/

And quite a few more with a financial interest...

https://meatfreemondays.com/supporter-categories/b...

[grumbledoak]

Gargamel said:

For accuracy it s the burping that s the main issue.

It's a complete non issue.

The atmospheric lifetime of methane is 10-12 years. With stable herd sizes it is a closed loop. We would need rapidly growing herd sizes to cause any greenhouse gas issue. We have declining herd sizes.

Methane emissions from cows burping is a made up issue aimed at forcing us away from meat, bankrupting those farmers, taking their land, and removing the competing product. This is a short term thing driven by corporate greed.

[Kawasicki]

So if fossil fuel related products can’t be advertised, what can?

[Roofless Toothless]

Holland produces nigh on a billion kg of cheese a year. Presumably all the dairy cows that provide the milk don’t burp.

[Snow and Rocks]

Crumpet said:

I know quite a lot of Dutch people and have a lot of Dutch friends. Half of them have left the country to live elsewhere. It s another country that will slowly be destroying itself with insane ideological policies. Although, to be fair, whenever I visit it does still appear to be holding things together, unlike the UK which shows very visible decline wherever you go.

I'm always surprised when I hear of nutty "right-on" stuff like this happening in the Netherlands. I have some Dutch friends and neighbours and if anything they seem the polar opposite - no nonsense and plain talking with a very pragmatic view of life.