M25 Widening Between M4 & M3 Junctions
Discussion
So, they are planning, over the next 3 or so years, to widen the M25 to 6 lanes either side between the M3 and the M4 junctions.
This is apparently due to Terminal 5 and the 3rd runway if that goes ahead.
So, do we reckon it will have any impact at all or will just be away of taxing motorists further because it will no doubt run significantly over budget and we will be expected to pay because its the motorist its there for?
Personally I cant see it helping at all, because for it to have maximum impact it would need to be 6 either side all the way up to the M40 junctions but as a signigicant number of ministers live in the Gerrards Cross, Chalfonts, Amersham area I just cant see that happening for some reason...
Then of course there the additional problem of all that traffic heading for London being forced down to 2 lanes due to the bus lane that I've never seen a bus in and then the elavated section.
Discuss...
Matt.
This is apparently due to Terminal 5 and the 3rd runway if that goes ahead.
So, do we reckon it will have any impact at all or will just be away of taxing motorists further because it will no doubt run significantly over budget and we will be expected to pay because its the motorist its there for?
Personally I cant see it helping at all, because for it to have maximum impact it would need to be 6 either side all the way up to the M40 junctions but as a signigicant number of ministers live in the Gerrards Cross, Chalfonts, Amersham area I just cant see that happening for some reason...
Then of course there the additional problem of all that traffic heading for London being forced down to 2 lanes due to the bus lane that I've never seen a bus in and then the elavated section.
Discuss...
Matt.
Not knocking it all Ted, I just think that its a bit of a half baked attempt at the enormous traffic problem that West London has.
I applaude the fact that finally the motorist is getting something for our £36 billion contribution to the economy but for 3 years of delays - they are already saying add 2 hours to your journey due to resurfacing between J5 and J8/9 of the M4 so after this its gonna want to work.
Matt.
I applaude the fact that finally the motorist is getting something for our £36 billion contribution to the economy but for 3 years of delays - they are already saying add 2 hours to your journey due to resurfacing between J5 and J8/9 of the M4 so after this its gonna want to work.
Matt.
Slightly off topic - I've started giving some a lift to work into the city of london (live in SW London). It makes me feel much better! An if a large proportion of people next year leave the roads and get on the already crippled public transport system then I'll keep driving in thanks.
Regarding widening the road - how much research/maths actually goes into designing roads these days - it would be interesting to know...
Regarding widening the road - how much research/maths actually goes into designing roads these days - it would be interesting to know...
It's about time the road building programme was re-introduced.
The M25 on this stretch is an absolute nightmare. I used to drive it regularly - from the M23 to the M3 or M4, and traffic usually came to standstill at Leatherhead.
for the previous government in doing something about this, and for this government for not cancelling the project. Pity it's taken so long, but there you go.
It's a good
for T2000 too. Excellent.
The M25 on this stretch is an absolute nightmare. I used to drive it regularly - from the M23 to the M3 or M4, and traffic usually came to standstill at Leatherhead.
for the previous government in doing something about this, and for this government for not cancelling the project. Pity it's taken so long, but there you go. It's a good
for T2000 too. Excellent.Excellent idea, that and LHR T5... I can't stand all those nimby's in my area who whinge about T5. Why the fcuk do they all live in the Thames Valley/M4 Corridor eh? I'll tell you why, because that's where all the frigging jobs are and why are all the jobs there because of the incredible boom in IT and comercial offices and support service inductries associated in the LHR area. What the hell do they want? Go back to the days of Heston Aerodrome and all be farmers... doh 
Rich...
Rich...
RichB said: Excellent idea, that and LHR T5... I can't stand all those nimby's in my area who whinge about T5. Why the fcuk do they all live in the Thames Valley/M4 Corridor eh? I'll tell you why, because that's where all the frigging jobs are and why are all the jobs there because of the incredible boom in IT and comercial offices and support service inductries associated in the LHR area. What the hell do they want? Go back to the days of Heston Aerodrome and all be farmers... doh
Too Right! There's still deserts and wasteland they can go an live in without troubling civilisation!
Its all very well widening just one stretch of the M25, but all that will happen is the traffic will jam up either side of the widened bit. Result? No better progress than before.
Successive traffic studies have shown that even if they made the whole of the M25 12 lanes, more traffic would be encouraged to use it until not just the M25 but all the surrounding roads would be reduced to the same crawl as before.
Sorry to be such a pessimist, but in this crowded little island there just aint room for all of us to drive at the same time. (Unless more people biked instead.)
Successive traffic studies have shown that even if they made the whole of the M25 12 lanes, more traffic would be encouraged to use it until not just the M25 but all the surrounding roads would be reduced to the same crawl as before.
Sorry to be such a pessimist, but in this crowded little island there just aint room for all of us to drive at the same time. (Unless more people biked instead.)
I think you miss the point.
bikerkeith said: Its all very well widening just one stretch of the M25, but all that will happen is the traffic will jam up either side of the widened bit. Result? No better progress than before.
Successive traffic studies have shown that even if they made the whole of the M25 12 lanes, more traffic would be encouraged to use it until not just the M25 but all the surrounding roads would be reduced to the same crawl as before.
Sorry to be such a pessimist, but in this crowded little island there just aint room for all of us to drive at the same time. (Unless more people biked instead.)
I don't - I think BikerKeith is right - widening 6 miles of the M25 to 6 lanes merely means that a bottle neck appears when those 6 lines become 3. You might be able to accelerate for 5 minutes but then you'll find yourself in an even larger queue further down the road.
I just don't see this as progress. If they did the entire M25 I might change my mind.
His comment about this Island being too small has some merit too...........
>> Edited by Oi_Oi_Savaloy on Thursday 7th November 12:58
I just don't see this as progress. If they did the entire M25 I might change my mind.
His comment about this Island being too small has some merit too...........
>> Edited by Oi_Oi_Savaloy on Thursday 7th November 12:58
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Too Right! There's still deserts and wasteland they can go an live in without troubling civilisation!
Arrrr boy! Move to Cambrrrrrrridgeshire were there ain' no cars no there be yerknows?!
Edited to say if yer don't like the M25/M4/M3 every day, move somewhere else!
>> Edited by MikeyT on Thursday 7th November 13:02
plotloss said: I
they are already saying add 2 hours to your journey due to resurfacing between J5 and J8/9 of the M4 so after this its gonna want to work.
Matt.
Uhhh, when are they planning on starting this? After all, the M4 is always full no matter what time I travel on it. The addition of another runway at Heathrow will surely mean all the other roads in the area need sorting out, not just the ones which act as car parks.
M4 resurfacing starts in the next month, with the work on the M25 to follow this.
Oh, and its not going to be done exclusively at night this time either. Plan is to take it down to two lanes from 8/9 during the day and to take it down to one at night IIRC.
Matt.
>> Edited by plotloss on Thursday 7th November 13:25
Oh, and its not going to be done exclusively at night this time either. Plan is to take it down to two lanes from 8/9 during the day and to take it down to one at night IIRC.
Matt.
>> Edited by plotloss on Thursday 7th November 13:25
So the nightmare which is the M4 in a morning and evening will get even worse!!
I travel from Windsor to Reading which is not too bad, but I pity the poor souls who drive the other way.
Surely some sense would dictate that nighttime resurfacing is the only sensible option doing a small section at a time, or keeping things to weekends!!
NIghtmare!! Suppose I'll have to get the Tiv out and go to work on the backroads!
I travel from Windsor to Reading which is not too bad, but I pity the poor souls who drive the other way.
Surely some sense would dictate that nighttime resurfacing is the only sensible option doing a small section at a time, or keeping things to weekends!!
NIghtmare!! Suppose I'll have to get the Tiv out and go to work on the backroads!
Why must they do that?
plotloss said: Oh, and its not going to be done exclusively at night this time either. Plan is to take it down to two lanes from 8/9 during the day and to take it down to one at night IIRC.
They've just resurfaced a long stretch of the M3 by using contraflows and narrow lanes, but at no time was the number of lanes reduced. Rush hour traffic flows were hardly affcted at all (in fact in some cases it was improved & I drive that stretch twice a day every day.
The only time there was any problem was with a couple of broken down vehicles and one accident. Which is not bad considering there were 3 months of works.
Oh and the speed limit was set to 50 and there were no cameras used - I bet the M4 won't be like that either.
CarZee said:
plotloss said:
Oh and the speed limit was set to 50 and there were no cameras used - I bet the M4 won't be like that either.
The M4 has a natural restriction of about 30 mph on the way into London anyway, so no need for cameras. (Except at night
I hope if they are doing it they are using the right materials and not doing a botch job so they have to do it again in 3 years
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