650S - How many were built for UK

[Zorbathegreek]

I m researching a certain 650S to create a history file - all previous owners, original build spec, warranty work, repairs and service history etc. The history file is pretty much complete now. During research, I came across this build timeline on a Wiki page. The 650S model looks like it had one of the shortest production runs of the McLaren road-car range (2014 to end of 2016), which may help to answer why there s so few available for sale.

Does anyone know how many were actually built for the UK market please? No point in looking at the how many left website as it uses DVLA data - DVLA has some 650S registered as 12C s. Even some P1’s registered as 12C. I do know of some 650S registered with the correct name tho - it can be retrospectively updated with the DVLA.

Edited by Zorbathegreek on Thursday 14th May 09:08

[Buzz84]

The 650 is effectively a facelifted 12C, both came under the development code of P11 = MP4-12C/625C/650S/675LT

It was just a fairly unique situation as the first car, While it got good reviews and performed well the looks and name was seen as a bit clinical so they restyled and renamed it.

The P11 chassis was in production 2001 introduced as the12C in 2001 till 2007 when it ended as the 675LT which is about par with most other chassis they have made.

[davek_964]

Buzz84 said:

It was just a fairly unique situation as the first car, While it got good reviews and performed well the looks and name was seen as a bit clinical so they restyled and renamed it.

That's an over simplification.

I agree that they have very much in common, but there are mechanical differences too - it is not just a visual face lift with a name change.

[AMRicardo]

Circa 3,200 650S units (coupe+spider) produced globally and around 10% registered in the UK. Spiders outnumber coupes.

Slightly higher number of 12C c. 3,500 with around 400 sold in the UK market.

For the 675LT, around 75 coupes and 110 spiders in the UK.

[Zorbathegreek]

AMRicardo said:

Circa 3,200 650S units (coupe+spider) produced globally and around 10% registered in the UK. Spiders outnumber coupes

Thanks for the response.
Not many in the UK @ approximately 320 units. Quite a rarity on UK roads.

[Zorbathegreek]

davek_964 said:

Buzz84 said:

It was just a fairly unique situation as the first car, While it got good reviews and performed well the looks and name was seen as a bit clinical so they restyled and renamed it.

That's an over simplification.

I agree that they have very much in common, but there are mechanical differences too - it is not just a visual face lift with a name change.

I want a refund.

[akadk]

there were also many build quality improvements vs 12C

[650S]

My experience of both is they are from the era of being very well put together.

I acknowledge the workmanship issues that came with the second shift at Woking, and the reputational damage that followed.

[Zorbathegreek]

650S said:

My experience of both is they are from the era of being very well put together.

I acknowledge the workmanship issues that came with the second shift at Woking, and the reputational damage that followed.

I’ve owned 2 x 720S - 2017 and 2019. Have covered over 50K miles between them. Have driven several sports series as ‘loaners’ when 720S was in for repair.
Now own a 2014 650S.

I agree with you on the “from the era of being very well put together” observation. Without any doubt, I have noticed that the 650S is of better quality than the younger generation cars. The ‘touch-points’ in the cabin feel better - Alcantara, leather, carbon fibre trim and switchgear. There’s no rattling of doors and trim. Even the lacquer on the carbon fibre looks to be thicker with more depth. The key fob is more robust and doesn’t fall apart like the 720S (a common gripe).

[Inlineonline]

Zorbathegreek said:

650S said:

My experience of both is they are from the era of being very well put together.

I acknowledge the workmanship issues that came with the second shift at Woking, and the reputational damage that followed.

I ve owned 2 x 720S - 2017 and 2019. Have covered over 50K miles between them. Have driven several sports series as loaners when 720S was in for repair.
Now own a 2014 650S.

I agree with you on the from the era of being very well put together observation. Without any doubt, I have noticed that the 650S is of better quality than the younger generation cars. The touch-points in the cabin feel better - Alcantara, leather, carbon fibre trim and switchgear. There s no rattling of doors and trim. Even the lacquer on the carbon fibre looks to be thicker with more depth. The key fob is more robust and doesn t fall apart like the 720S (a common gripe).

This, I have a 2013 12c, one of the later ones and the build quality is immaculate. (Also still under the OEM warranty since new!)

It does sound like things slipped when they went for higher volumes later.

[650S]

Inlineonline said:

Zorbathegreek said:

650S said:

My experience of both is they are from the era of being very well put together.

I acknowledge the workmanship issues that came with the second shift at Woking, and the reputational damage that followed.

I ve owned 2 x 720S - 2017 and 2019. Have covered over 50K miles between them. Have driven several sports series as loaners when 720S was in for repair.
Now own a 2014 650S.

I agree with you on the from the era of being very well put together observation. Without any doubt, I have noticed that the 650S is of better quality than the younger generation cars. The touch-points in the cabin feel better - Alcantara, leather, carbon fibre trim and switchgear. There s no rattling of doors and trim. Even the lacquer on the carbon fibre looks to be thicker with more depth. The key fob is more robust and doesn t fall apart like the 720S (a common gripe).

This, I have a 2013 12c, one of the later ones and the build quality is immaculate. (Also still under the OEM warranty since new!)

It does sound like things slipped when they went for higher volumes later.

Thanks both, I think there are a few of us who recognise and appreciate the "Ron era" Produced cars. The following era retained and developed the McLaren pedigree / DNA and are also great cars, but the execution in the Assembly hall was second rate.
Later, Michael Leiters understood this, and the business learned from him. I hope they never forget.

[cgt2]

Inlineonline said:

This, I have a 2013 12c, one of the later ones and the build quality is immaculate. (Also still under the OEM warranty since new!)

It does sound like things slipped when they went for higher volumes later.

I also had a very late 12C Spider. No issues at all in two years not even a warning light. 911 Turbo I had at the same time was not as reliable.

I was told that later 12C and 650 were the pick of the bunch by an ex MTC staff member