New crime unit to target gangs fronting shops
New crime unit to target gangs fronting shops
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CMTMB

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1,230 posts

20 months

Yesterday (13:02)
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Seems like a step in the right direction but I don't know why it required a BBC investigation to get the Police interested. It's been obvious to most of us for years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3pzwx449no


cirian75

5,408 posts

258 months

Yesterday (13:05)
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Yup, there's 2 streets here in Manchester with 51 vape shops.

A blatant front for crime.

vixen1700

28,233 posts

295 months

Yesterday (13:07)
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Gonna need a bigger unit...

Getragdogleg

9,945 posts

208 months

Yesterday (13:07)
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If they close the vape, phone and barbers shops then my town would have almost nothing.

sparta6

4,744 posts

125 months

Yesterday (13:13)
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CMTMB said:
Seems like a step in the right direction but I don't know why it required a BBC investigation to get the Police interested. It's been obvious to most of us for years.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3pzwx449no
Long overdue.

But Uber deliveries will expand as a consequence with more jobs for illegal boat invaders.


Whackamole !

CMTMB

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1,230 posts

20 months

Yesterday (13:18)
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Being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show just now, absolutely no mention of the typical demographic of the shop owners - which is fine but a caller still phoned in to claim it was all false information from the far right. Essentially suggested this is all racism and minorities are being targeted for no reason. Genuinely astonishing.

Paddymcc

1,259 posts

216 months

Yesterday (13:19)
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Is this one unit for the whole of the UK or 1 for each town / city?

Trevor555

5,209 posts

109 months

Yesterday (13:23)
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Why has it taken so long?

Our local Police suspected this many years ago, yet they remained.

z4RRSchris

12,449 posts

204 months

Yesterday (13:30)
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A new barber opened near me so i thought would go try it out (i dont trust any of the others to actually cut hair)

£14 cash only, 5 chairs, one lad sat ready to cut hair looked like he had been brick laying all morning.

no thanky

Trevor555

5,209 posts

109 months

Yesterday (13:32)
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z4RRSchris said:
A new barber opened near me so i thought would go try it out (i dont trust any of the others to actually cut hair)

£14 cash only, 5 chairs, one lad sat ready to cut hair looked like he had been brick laying all morning.

no thanky
Similar in our town.

The landlords must know?


dundarach

6,083 posts

253 months

Yesterday (13:34)
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Everyone knows, no-one cares, this is pandering to say they've done something.


irc

9,523 posts

161 months

Yesterday (13:41)
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z4RRSchris said:
A new barber opened near me so i thought would go try it out (i dont trust any of the others to actually cut hair)

£14 cash only, 5 chairs, one lad sat ready to cut hair looked like he had been brick laying all morning.

no thanky
I tried a new local Turkish barber. No other customers. The cut was OK but it was paused on about 5 seperate occasions while he dealt with messages on his phone.

I have used the Scottish barber ever since.


Lotobear

8,750 posts

153 months

Yesterday (13:42)
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HMRC have been quite happy to enjoy their cut of money laundering - it's high time this scam was sorted out. I was in Keswick a few weeks ago - I went past a 'Turkish' barbers in a prime location - the usual gold plated chairs inside and a few leather chesterfields, obviously a very expensive fit out, and two Iraqi looking chaps inside, feet on the counter on their mobile phones. Still there a few hours later and, still, no sign of any customers.

It would be the simplest investigation to have these operations covertly watched and a footfall count done then compared against their accounts. Disgraceful when you see how hard working individuals are harrassed by HMRC for minor oversights/infingements.

I wouldn't mind betting there is people smuggling cash being cleaned via many of these operations.

Timothy Bucktu

16,796 posts

225 months

Yesterday (13:47)
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CMTMB said:
Being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show just now, absolutely no mention of the typical demographic of the shop owners - which is fine but a caller still phoned in to claim it was all false information from the far right. Essentially suggested this is all racism and minorities are being targeted for no reason. Genuinely astonishing.
Wasn't Stewie was it?

CMTMB

Original Poster:

1,230 posts

20 months

Yesterday (13:49)
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Timothy Bucktu said:
CMTMB said:
Being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show just now, absolutely no mention of the typical demographic of the shop owners - which is fine but a caller still phoned in to claim it was all false information from the far right. Essentially suggested this is all racism and minorities are being targeted for no reason. Genuinely astonishing.
Wasn't Stewie was it?
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Tom8

5,880 posts

179 months

Yesterday (14:05)
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Quite incredible that the BBC reports this as some kind of magical investigation finding out something miraculous no one would believe.

The general public has known exactly this for years and years, who could believe a small high street would need 15 vape shops and 20 barbers taking cash only with fancy fit outs.

We know the reason though. A police force and government that shies away from reality because "racism". Nothing more nothing less, just hiding from their own culture, they created.

Otispunkmeyer

13,631 posts

180 months

Yesterday (14:45)
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Trevor555 said:
z4RRSchris said:
A new barber opened near me so i thought would go try it out (i dont trust any of the others to actually cut hair)

£14 cash only, 5 chairs, one lad sat ready to cut hair looked like he had been brick laying all morning.

no thanky
Similar in our town.

The landlords must know?
Same in ours too... high street full of vape, phone fixing and barbers. Does a highstreet in a small town need more than one of each? apparently so. Even in the little parade of shops in our village, we've got plenty of (genuine) hairy cuttery places already, but didn't stop a Turkish barber opening right in the middle. Then when the newsagents closed next door, a tanning salon popped up (with exceptionally dark interior décor). I've never seen a sole come and go from there and there is rarely anyone in the barbers getting their wig hacked.

But the chap who owns the whole parade obviously needs to be kept in Porsches and such like and I am sure the parish council or whomever likes the fees they get or whatever so...

Ronstein

1,673 posts

62 months

Yesterday (14:56)
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In fairness to both Police and Trading Standards, both have been hollowed out over the years by successive governments, so this is a sticking plaster for the media, nothing else.

This is where Wiltshire Police are as one of the forces with the smallest budget already:

"Whilst further details are to be provided, it is anticipated that Wiltshire Police will need to deliver a minimum of £4.6m savings for 2026/2027, in order to deliver against a reduced budget.

This week, the details of the funding and the core components of how these savings will be achieved, were provided by your office to the Police and Crime Panel ahead of the meeting next Thursday and made publicly available. This information is available via this link.
Following a Strategic and Financial Planning Summit I held with my Chief Officer Group in November, we have already identified the efficiencies currently required for the year ahead.

As with our Financial Review Programme (FRP), through which we identified much of the nearly £8m worth of savings for 2025/26, our priority remains achieving these savings in ways that minimise the impact on our people and on frontline delivery.
We must continue to focus on the function of our organisation rather than its form, ensuring that we protect the quality of service we provide to our communities and victims of crime.

Broadly speaking, the 2026/27 efficiencies will be achieved through a combination of:
• Redesigning how our Local Policing, Specialist Operations and Crime Investigations commands are structured
• Removing frozen posts - subject to appropriate scrutiny and consultation
• Technology and equipment efficiencies aligned to our longer-term technology strategy
• Further rationalisation of our estate footprint"

Additionally, Labour insisted that the Neighbourhood Police teams be increased across the county, which meant that, with even less resource, police were moved from other areas such as traffic, rural crime and response to fill the posts required while significant numbers of civilian posts were lost.

Like shoplifting, ASB and other such crimes that are rife across all towns and cities, there will never be an effective response until a government chooses to properly fund it as opposed to indulging in gesture politics and adding some funding while removing even more.

Exactly the same thing is happening with the MOD!

SS427 Camaro

8,021 posts

195 months

Yesterday (15:00)
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Lotobear said:
HMRC have been quite happy to enjoy their cut of money laundering - it's high time this scam was sorted out. I was in Keswick a few weeks ago - I went past a 'Turkish' barbers in a prime location - the usual gold plated chairs inside and a few leather chesterfields, obviously a very expensive fit out, and two Iraqi looking chaps inside, feet on the counter on their mobile phones. Still there a few hours later and, still, no sign of any customers.

It would be the simplest investigation to have these operations covertly watched and a footfall count done then compared against their accounts. Disgraceful when you see how hard working individuals are harrassed by HMRC for minor oversights/infingements.

I wouldn't mind betting there is people smuggling cash being cleaned via many of these operations.
Nail on head re disgraceful re HMRC as I was hounded by them years ago, due to a vicious neighbour. The stress was Horendous and my ex wife & I came close to fleeing the country. We just couldn t believe that they came after such a tiny fish as my self employed self, newly starting out in a small biz that I started from scratch.

I daily go past one of these Barbor shops it s in a Very affluent area, is expensively fitted out & which suddenly opened up in the district some 18 months ago. It s shut most days,
but is open on Saturday mornings. It simply reeks of being crooked.

Edited by SS427 Camaro on Tuesday 19th May 15:02

Slow.Patrol

4,706 posts

39 months

Yesterday (15:03)
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CMTMB said:
Timothy Bucktu said:
CMTMB said:
Being discussed on the Jeremy Vine show just now, absolutely no mention of the typical demographic of the shop owners - which is fine but a caller still phoned in to claim it was all false information from the far right. Essentially suggested this is all racism and minorities are being targeted for no reason. Genuinely astonishing.
Wasn't Stewie was it?
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In reality it was a way for HMRC to gain some income from illegal operations. Drugs, vapes, cigarettes, whatever.