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Gary C

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Thursday 21st May
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Interesting article

https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/10/02/researchers-s...

So they recorded the whole brain, modelled it into a simulation and the bloody thing acts like a fly smile

SpudLink

7,795 posts

217 months

Thursday 21st May
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Gary C said:
Interesting article

https://news.berkeley.edu/2024/10/02/researchers-s...

So they recorded the whole brain, modelled it into a simulation and the bloody thing acts like a fly smile
yikes

Remember that episode of Black Mirror where they take a copy of your brain and turn it into a digital assistant that understands your every requirement? But inside it’s as conscious as you are, so they torture it into obedience.

This is step one on the path to that future.

I’ve watched and read too much sci-fi.

Yahonza

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55 months

Yesterday (19:15)
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The fly world have built a 'connectome' of the D.melanogaster nervous system. It really is a tour de force of genetics coupled to functional biology. Now, as this has been extended to computer modelling, it can be used to predict all sorts of neurological things. But can it be done in mammals - maybe? In Humans, obviously not. There is the whole AI question though with humans. AI scores top marks in the 'Torrance test'. I might get 50/100. smile

Flyingakite

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Yesterday (19:18)
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Why do you say in humans not?

Also most cogntive systems function on more than just nuerons. Chemicals signals etc

Gary C

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Yesterday (21:36)
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Thats the real question isn't it

could they in theory do the same to a human brain

Simpo Two

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Yesterday (22:30)
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Gary C said:
Thats the real question isn't it

could they in theory do the same to a human brain
Trusty old D. melanogaster was sequenced in 2000, H. sapiens followed in 2022. Perhaps what we see here is just an extension of that.

Mr Musk is talking about carrying people's brains around on a chip so it's all starting to come together. I've met people whose brain would fit on a floppy disk.

And talking of D. melanogaster, time flies like the wind but fruit flies like a banana.

Flyingakite

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Gary C said:
Thats the real question isn't it

could they in theory do the same to a human brain
Yes off course but you have billions to map first then build up the cogntive and system functions.

Human brains are not much different from other animals just possess more cognitive processing albities.

Gary C

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Flyingakite said:
Yes off course but you have billions to map first then build up the cognitive and system functions.

Human brains are not much different from other animals just possess more cognitive processing albities.
Of course and its unrealistic, but it seems, theoretically possible.

Angstrom by angstrom slicing and mapping machine, lovely smile

Flyingakite

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Gary C said:
Of course and its unrealistic, but it seems, theoretically possible.

Angstrom by angstrom slicing and mapping machine, lovely smile
Why unrealistic?


Simpo Two

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290 months

Flyingakite said:
Human brains are not much different from other animals just possess more cognitive processing albities.
Cognitive processing 'albities'. Yes indeed biggrin

Arnold Cunningham

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278 months

It s not just the complexity of the neurons and connections between them, it s also the transient, dynamic state of them all as well.

I think we ll get to a point where it can be all modelled, but I don t believe we ll ever be able to copy a person entirely.

Basically, it s like a road network. You can have all the same roads, you can copy the traffic light sequencing even, but you d also need to copy the exact state of every single vehicle on that road, instantaneously. I reckon that will be the hard bit. And then on top of that, identically mirroring all the inputs, also hard.

But I do think we ll be able to produce an artificial intelligence that mirrors many of our own capabilities. The Era Of Experience by David Silver is quite interesting to read on this topic.



Edited by Arnold Cunningham on Sunday 31st May 13:07

Flyingakite

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Is it not the arrogance of humanity to think out brain is anymore than just complicated information processing machines. Then each person is unique only by theory own brain's ability to process information?

Yahonza

3,663 posts

55 months

Gary C said:
Flyingakite said:
Yes off course but you have billions to map first then build up the cognitive and system functions.

Human brains are not much different from other animals just possess more cognitive processing albities.
Of course and its unrealistic, but it seems, theoretically possible.

Angstrom by angstrom slicing and mapping machine, lovely smile
A long day, or couple of days on the cryostat. wink

V8LM

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234 months

Gary C said:
Flyingakite said:
Yes off course but you have billions to map first then build up the cognitive and system functions.

Human brains are not much different from other animals just possess more cognitive processing albities.
Of course and its unrealistic, but it seems, theoretically possible.

Angstrom by angstrom slicing and mapping machine, lovely smile
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