Toilets must be used on basis of biological sex...
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e2rj3zj02o
The UK equality watchdog has issued new guidance saying single-sex spaces like toilets and changing rooms should generally be based on biological sex, following the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act.
In practice, that means trans women shouldn’t use women’s facilities, and trans men shouldn’t use men’s facilities. The guidance says organisations should instead try to provide gender-neutral or separate private facilities where possible.
Supporters say it finally gives businesses and public services clear legal guidance. Critics argue it reduces rights and access for trans people.
The guidance now goes before Parliament before becoming official law-backed guidance.
I wonder how this is going to be 'enforced'?
The UK equality watchdog has issued new guidance saying single-sex spaces like toilets and changing rooms should generally be based on biological sex, following the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act.
In practice, that means trans women shouldn’t use women’s facilities, and trans men shouldn’t use men’s facilities. The guidance says organisations should instead try to provide gender-neutral or separate private facilities where possible.
Supporters say it finally gives businesses and public services clear legal guidance. Critics argue it reduces rights and access for trans people.
The guidance now goes before Parliament before becoming official law-backed guidance.
I wonder how this is going to be 'enforced'?
Dog Biscuit said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0e2rj3zj02o
The UK equality watchdog has issued new guidance saying single-sex spaces like toilets and changing rooms should generally be based on biological sex, following the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act.
In practice, that means trans women shouldn t use women s facilities, and trans men shouldn t use men s facilities. The guidance says organisations should instead try to provide gender-neutral or separate private facilities where possible.
If the above is too much detail for people, the government have condensed it into a 342 page document on their website.The UK equality watchdog has issued new guidance saying single-sex spaces like toilets and changing rooms should generally be based on biological sex, following the recent Supreme Court ruling on the Equality Act.
In practice, that means trans women shouldn t use women s facilities, and trans men shouldn t use men s facilities. The guidance says organisations should instead try to provide gender-neutral or separate private facilities where possible.
That's pretty much a page a day since the ruling last April - and is about the speed my kids would do their homework if I left them to it.
otolith said:
The trans person I know really looks 100% like a bloke.
Not going to go down well if he is forced to use the women s facilities.
The guidance says there should be neutral provision.Not going to go down well if he is forced to use the women s facilities.
But isn't this the whole crux of the ruling? That provision is based on biological sex not appearance. What about a butch lesbian? Would you say it's not going to go down well if she walks into a woman's toilet?
Seems pretty simple to me. Most places have a disabled loo that can be repurposed. If places only have a couple of cubicles then make them gender neutral. Otherwise just have a sign indicating whether there's a urinal or no urinal.
I know that, for those this affects, this is likely a difficult ruling, but for 99% of the population this is a non-issue and pragmatic approaches should be able to solve most scenarios
I know that, for those this affects, this is likely a difficult ruling, but for 99% of the population this is a non-issue and pragmatic approaches should be able to solve most scenarios
Sheets Tabuer said:
Hope this doesn't lead to unisex toilets, the womens toilets at work are horrific.
So I'm told.
I've heard the same. The cleaners at work detest doing the women's loo, the gents are like operating theatres in comparison. Considering they sit down 100% of the time, being able to get sSo I'm told.
t and piss anywhere EXCEPT in the bowl is quite an achievement. And this is supposedly a professional, city centre office. chrispmartha said:
ITs unenforceable. As I say nothing will change except as is already happening biological women who don t fit their pre conceived stereotype of what a woman looks like will start to get hassled.
This has been happening for a while. Gay friend of mine has been reported 2 or 3 times, then confronted by security (if you had a more than a very brief glance she is very obviously female - just has shortish hair and likes to wear hoodies - sort of skater look). It's the ste fallout of this as the media have the ignorant stirred up to think loads of men pretending to be women are constantly trying to sneak in to women's toilets.Tim Cognito said:
The guidance says there should be neutral provision.
But isn't this the whole crux of the ruling? That provision is based on biological sex not appearance. What about a butch lesbian? Would you say it's not going to go down well if she walks into a woman's toilet?
Yes. Because emboldened transphobes will feel able to challenge her because she is, in their view, too masculine. It won’t come down to actual biological sex but to subjective views on appearance.But isn't this the whole crux of the ruling? That provision is based on biological sex not appearance. What about a butch lesbian? Would you say it's not going to go down well if she walks into a woman's toilet?
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