944 Diff noise
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studog

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268 posts

284 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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After much deliberation and advice from you guys I am saying goodbuy to my dear old 1982 2.7 944.

In its place is a very smart but highish milage S2.

The diff is fairly noisy but not terminal. Any reccomendations about where to go to sort it out? and what sort of money should I be paying?

domster

8,431 posts

297 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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It's a transaxle so the diff is in the gearbox, isn't it? Removal, stripping, putting back together is a few hours work... costly even without the parts. Maybe see if there's a cheap box in a breakers that could be substituted.

d5hef

193 posts

286 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Looking at the same thing in my 944. My chaps recon about £350 all in to repair the worn bearings (if it is just pinions, possibly more if crown wheel needs doing too) and about the same to fit a secondhand replacement box.
Benefits of getting the bearings replaced would be that you know for sure that the noise will stop. Fit a second hand box and you may get the same noise and a nice bill to accompany it!
Cheers

studog

Original Poster:

268 posts

284 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Sounds like an excellent price who do you use?

I am only an hour from Brum so they could be a handy contact.

d5hef

193 posts

286 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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I'll PM you their contact details.

shortshiftin

83 posts

251 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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If you're near brum give EMC Motorsport a ring.
0121 3282225

studog

Original Poster:

268 posts

284 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Thanks chaps, much appreciated.

diver944

1,855 posts

303 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Very occasionally, a noisy gearbox can be improved by simply changing the gear oil. For the sahe of 20 quids oil, it may be worth a try before shelling out hundreds.

It's supposed to be changed every four years, but when I was looking to buy mine, the vast majority had no evidence of it ever being done

As a noisy gearbox is a known and expensive problem I change my gear oil every two years just to be safe.

HearingAidBeige

3,632 posts

254 months

Thursday 13th October 2005
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Totally agree with diver944,

I bought an '84 944 in 2001, it had some diff whine in 4/5th at about 3000rpm, On it's first service the transaxle oil was changed for Swepco (from Berlyn Services), just sold the car on Sunday having done 40k in 4 years, The noise was absolutely no worse(if anything it seemed less noticable), I would change the oil first, see if that helps... Cheers

bite-me

524 posts

254 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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This is common, it's not striclty speaking a fault.

To be totally honest the car will be fine.

The symptoms are that "generaly" after a long run, there will be quite a louish grumbling/rumbling noise from the transaxel. (usually in idle)

This is to do with the 5th idler gear being slighly oversize or undersize (I can't remember which) and it rattles around.

When the 944's were new some of them got done under w'tee. It is a Porsche design fault.

Rebuilding the dif will fix this but it does not effect performance or fail. Just ignore it

hope this helps

Thom

1,746 posts

274 months

Friday 14th October 2005
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bite-me said:
Rebuilding the dif will fix this


Are you sure ?
Why specifically the diff ?

HearingAidBeige

3,632 posts

254 months

Saturday 15th October 2005
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bite-me said:
This is common, it's not striclty speaking a fault.

To be totally honest the car will be fine.

The symptoms are that "generaly" after a long run, there will be quite a louish grumbling/rumbling noise from the transaxel. (usually in idle)

This is to do with the 5th idler gear being slighly oversize or undersize (I can't remember which) and it rattles around.

When the 944's were new some of them got done under w'tee. It is a Porsche design fault.

Rebuilding the dif will fix this but it does not effect performance or fail. Just ignore it

hope this helps



The 5th gear idler rattle (only present at idle with the clutch disengaged) is different to the whine common to lot's of 944, where your rolling and usually under load ,on my car it dissappeared on a constant throttle.
Apparently this can be the differential bearings, you can check this by looking for up/down (NOT in/out) play in the transaxle output where it connects to the CV joints, there is a tolerance spec for this, but I can't remember where? Mine had a tiny(I'm talking miniscule) amount of play on the right hand side, I checked this regularly and it never seemed to get any worse

>> Edited by HearingAidBeige on Saturday 15th October 00:17

bite-me

524 posts

254 months

Monday 17th October 2005
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HearingAidBeige said:

bite-me said:
This is common, it's not striclty speaking a fault.

To be totally honest the car will be fine.

The symptoms are that "generaly" after a long run, there will be quite a louish grumbling/rumbling noise from the transaxel. (usually in idle)

This is to do with the 5th idler gear being slighly oversize or undersize (I can't remember which) and it rattles around.

When the 944's were new some of them got done under w'tee. It is a Porsche design fault.

Rebuilding the dif will fix this but it does not effect performance or fail. Just ignore it

hope this helps




The 5th gear idler rattle (only present at idle with the clutch disengaged) is different to the whine common to lot's of 944, where your rolling and usually under load ,on my car it dissappeared on a constant throttle.
Apparently this can be the differential bearings, you can check this by looking for up/down (NOT in/out) play in the transaxle output where it connects to the CV joints, there is a tolerance spec for this, but I can't remember where? Mine had a tiny(I'm talking miniscule) amount of play on the right hand side, I checked this regularly and it never seemed to get any worse

>> Edited by HearingAidBeige on Saturday 15th October 00:17


a whining noise is usually going to be the pinion bearing, a runbling noise is likly to be the 5th idler gear.

dogsharks

427 posts

273 months

Thursday 20th October 2005
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Here's my experience with Porsche transaxles, it worked well, and I recommend it.

www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=426130&messageid=1125602339

'Dogsharks

studog

Original Poster:

268 posts

284 months

Thursday 20th October 2005
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Thanks.

I will give it a try.