Operation Snap and the rise in dash cam use to prosecute
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So I realise this is not a new topic
but to me operation snap and its ilk and the rise in the use of data submitted by the public to catch motorists out is really rather repugnet
most drivers on the road are not qualified to report on others behaviour, let alone have calibrated kit to validate the claim
is this really the kind of society we want where we are all watching each other for misdemeanors ?
yes there are some berks on the road but equally there are a lot of slow and meandering drivers too. This is the thin end of the wedge to ban overtaking on anything other than a dual carriageway or motorway
but to me operation snap and its ilk and the rise in the use of data submitted by the public to catch motorists out is really rather repugnet
most drivers on the road are not qualified to report on others behaviour, let alone have calibrated kit to validate the claim
is this really the kind of society we want where we are all watching each other for misdemeanors ?
yes there are some berks on the road but equally there are a lot of slow and meandering drivers too. This is the thin end of the wedge to ban overtaking on anything other than a dual carriageway or motorway
t and driving dangerously.scorcher said:
It s usually the worst kind of drivers that have dashcam recording too. The dawdlers, the ones that can t hold a straight line, the faffers etc etc.
I’ve submitted two recordings to operation snap.The first one was a car that sailed through a red light right into the path of other people who had to swerve and brake to avoid a collision.
The second was when I found someone coming head on towards me on a dual carriageway.
Presumably you and the OP don’t approve of this?
Alex Z said:
I ve submitted two recordings to operation snap.
The first one was a car that sailed through a red light right into the path of other people who had to swerve and brake to avoid a collision.
The second was when I found someone coming head on towards me on a dual carriageway.
Presumably you and the OP don t approve of this?
We have all seen examples of driving like that Alex. The question is whether those exceptional cases justify a bunch of busybodies using dashcams to crusade against anyone that dares overtake on an open road or manages to look a little impatient because they are stuck behind some self righteous dick who can’t make it above 40mph in a NSL. The first one was a car that sailed through a red light right into the path of other people who had to swerve and brake to avoid a collision.
The second was when I found someone coming head on towards me on a dual carriageway.
Presumably you and the OP don t approve of this?
Client of mine filmed a police vehicle driving badly. He reported the police vehicle using the online portal (Operation Snap).
However, he inadvertently sent in the wrong file - showing himself driving at nearly twice the speed limit with associated bad driving
Notice of Intended Prosecution issued.
However, he inadvertently sent in the wrong file - showing himself driving at nearly twice the speed limit with associated bad driving
Notice of Intended Prosecution issued.
Whilst I don’t like the culture of everyone being able to report everything and anything on dashcam.
Especially people making YouTube clips of them aggressively honking their horn at innocent driver errors or the uploaded basically showing poor hazard awareness or anticipation skills.
Operation Snap does definitely have its benefits. It does help to flag very dangerous drivers to the authorities and has been used in recent prosecutions of some very dangerous drivers that have caused death by dangerous driving.
Sadly I think it is needed in this day and age, especially with the police being more stretched than ever.
Especially people making YouTube clips of them aggressively honking their horn at innocent driver errors or the uploaded basically showing poor hazard awareness or anticipation skills.
Operation Snap does definitely have its benefits. It does help to flag very dangerous drivers to the authorities and has been used in recent prosecutions of some very dangerous drivers that have caused death by dangerous driving.
Sadly I think it is needed in this day and age, especially with the police being more stretched than ever.
Bluevanman said:
scorcher said:
It s usually the worst kind of drivers that have dashcam recording too. The dawdlers, the ones that can t hold a straight line, the faffers etc etc.
An opinion based on no evidence whatsoever.Yet another case of unwarranted prejudice.
Having done it myself for 2 extreme cases of being seriously cut up on a bike I would absolutely advocate that people use them for this purpose.
Only when tw@ts of this ilk realise that "everyone is watching and recording" will they potentially think twice before being an idiot.
Each time I have reported you get a reply telling you that someone will review the footage and see if someone was in the wrong.
Then IF they decide they are going to do something they tell you what the process may entail, as in education/awareness training etc.
One I also issued was footage following a car overtaking me and rear-ending a bicycle at speed then driving off, the victim resulted in a broken back (is the only update I had) what would you suggest I did instead, let the tw@t get off with it?
Monkeylegend said:
That would include the majority of PH'ers, you know those that keep complaining how everybody but them are unable to drive properly and should be removed from the roads 
That’s the thing - everybody thinks they personally are great drivers, it’s others who are dangerous, too fast , too slow, whatever… there’s a lack of self awareness.Except for those that hate dashcams - they’ve probably got a very good understanding of how good their driving is , and how it would be judged by others.
I don't have a problem with it really given the examples which are in this thread. No one is going to get prosecuted when you safely overtake dawdling Doris doing 40 in an NSL, then 40 in the villages in between which are 30.
If you overtake Doris on a solid white line and almost cause a crash with an oncoming vehicle then it sounds like you need re-educating.
If you overtake Doris on a solid white line and almost cause a crash with an oncoming vehicle then it sounds like you need re-educating.
The issue is that while the dashcams will no doubt catch bad drivers who are badly in need of being caught they will also be liberally applied to other drivers who do not deserve it, in much the same way as speed cameras have.
Drivers that actually think about how they are driving, consider road conditions and make decisions based on them end up being put in the crosshairs by drivers who don’t, many of whom couldn’t pass a test if they had to take one tomorrow .
Drivers that actually think about how they are driving, consider road conditions and make decisions based on them end up being put in the crosshairs by drivers who don’t, many of whom couldn’t pass a test if they had to take one tomorrow .
Steve H said:
The issue is that while the dashcams will no doubt catch bad drivers who are badly in need of being caught they will also be liberally applied to other drivers who do not deserve it, in much the same way as speed cameras have.
Drivers that actually think about how they are driving, consider road conditions and make decisions based on them end up being put in the crosshairs by drivers who don t, many of whom couldn t pass a test if they had to take one tomorrow .
A prosecution would only occur if the driver was driving dangerously. Then they would 'deserve it'.Drivers that actually think about how they are driving, consider road conditions and make decisions based on them end up being put in the crosshairs by drivers who don t, many of whom couldn t pass a test if they had to take one tomorrow .
No one will be prosecuted for a safe overtake or speeding for example (as a dash cam isn't calibrated). Someone doing a 'Dukes of Hazzard' and cornering on 2 wheels might be in trouble.
I suppose the concern for people like us is when you very occasionally and accidentally do something a bit daft but get away with it. I overtook a dawdler and miscalculated the distance to the oncoming car so, although I got back in OK and nothing occurred, it was dangerous if I'm honest.
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