Edinburgh and Glasgow fuel situation

[colin79666]

Seems to be a developing issue with jet fuel supply at both Edinburgh and Glasgow airports. Do they both get it via Grangemouth?

NOTAM Data:
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Q) EGPX/QFULT/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5557N00322W005
A) EGPH B) 2605311450 C) 2606011450
E) LONGHAUL, SHORTHAUL AND DOMESTIC AIRLINES TO MAXIMISE INBOUND TANKERING, DUE TO FUEL SUPPLY ISSUES RESULTING IN REDUCED CAPACITY

[Gassmi]

Yes, both get jet fuel from Grangemouth. Refinery issues causing the shortage.

[gotoPzero]

School holidays start at the end of the month in Scotland so they bets hope to get it resolved before then.

[Simpo Two]

Gassmi said:

Yes, both get jet fuel from Grangemouth. Refinery issues causing the shortage.

Google AI: 'The UK has closed 14 oil refineries since their peak in the late 1970s, leaving just 4 operational sites.

Major historical closures include: Grangemouth (Scotland): Ceased processing and closed in 2025, converted to an import terminal.'

So it's the UK shooting itself in the foot again.

[gotoPzero]

PIK taking some TUI flights apparently - they are taking off from GLA and then dipping into PIK for fuel then off again to the destination.

[Greenmantle]

gotoPzero said:

PIK taking some TUI flights apparently - they are taking off from GLA and then dipping into PIK for fuel then off again to the destination.

thats madness
surely that is going to use way more fuel?

[5 In a Row]

Simpo Two said:

Major historical closures include: Grangemouth (Scotland): Ceased processing and closed in 2025, converted to an import terminal.'

So it's the UK shooting itself in the foot again.

Isn't it more a case of INEOS owner (and staunch Brexiteer) Jim Radcliffe shooting the UK in the back. Again?

[Dalmahoy01]

Grangemouth Refinery was a big aviation fuel producer.
Spent many years surveying the pipelines there with JETA1 identifiers everywhere.

Short sightness on a grand scale.

[Simpo Two]

5 In a Row said:

Simpo Two said:

Major historical closures include: Grangemouth (Scotland): Ceased processing and closed in 2025, converted to an import terminal.'

So it's the UK shooting itself in the foot again.

Isn't it more a case of INEOS owner (and staunch Brexiteer) Jim Radcliffe shooting the UK in the back. Again?

More detail here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

[48k]

Greenmantle said:

gotoPzero said:

PIK taking some TUI flights apparently - they are taking off from GLA and then dipping into PIK for fuel then off again to the destination.

thats madness
surely that is going to use way more fuel?

Presumably it's far cheaper to pay for some extra fuel in PIK than it is to pay to keep the aircraft on the ground in GLA and pay to transfer hundreds of passengers on to alternate flights.

[Mabozza]

Flew from London Stansted to Glasgow last night with sleazyjet. Flight was delayed for a few hours due to the inbound plane needing to refuel, but easyJets supplier was out of fuel.
According to the captain they had to plead and beg with another supplier to get some fuel which was already allocated to a different airline, and were then able to fly down to London.

[The Mad Monk]

Simpo Two said:

Major historical closures include: Grangemouth (Scotland): Ceased processing and closed in 2025, converted to an import terminal.'

So it's the UK shooting itself in the foot again.

No, it's not the UK, it's the Jocks.

[5 In a Row]

Simpo Two said:

5 In a Row said:

Simpo Two said:

Major historical closures include: Grangemouth (Scotland): Ceased processing and closed in 2025, converted to an import terminal.'

So it's the UK shooting itself in the foot again.

Isn't it more a case of INEOS owner (and staunch Brexiteer) Jim Radcliffe shooting the UK in the back. Again?

More detail here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-bu...

Thanks.

[gotoPzero]

48k said:

Greenmantle said:

gotoPzero said:

PIK taking some TUI flights apparently - they are taking off from GLA and then dipping into PIK for fuel then off again to the destination.

thats madness
surely that is going to use way more fuel?

Presumably it's far cheaper to pay for some extra fuel in PIK than it is to pay to keep the aircraft on the ground in GLA and pay to transfer hundreds of passengers on to alternate flights.

They have to keep the plates spinning - the hotels will be expecting the guests etc as they sell packages.
I think its their best solution right now. They are lucky that PIK can take them because in the coming months they will be much more busy.

[aeropilot]

Simpo Two said:

Gassmi said:

Yes, both get jet fuel from Grangemouth. Refinery issues causing the shortage.

Google AI: 'The UK has closed 14 oil refineries since their peak in the late 1970s, leaving just 4 operational sites.

Major historical closures include: Grangemouth (Scotland): Ceased processing and closed in 2025, converted to an import terminal.'

So it's the UK shooting itself in the foot again.

Yep.

Taxation and political environmental ideology mean we can say we're being greener and more eco by de-industrialising, and just import stuff from elsewhere instead, which is all fine and dandy, until major world events then put us at huge risk.......

Unfortunately, as all the adults left the room some years ago, UK plc is fecked.

[alangla]

gotoPzero said:

They have to keep the plates spinning - the hotels will be expecting the guests etc as they sell packages.
I think its their best solution right now. They are lucky that PIK can take them because in the coming months they will be much more busy.

Also helps that (Scottish Government owned) Prestwick gets its fuel from Grain in Kent rather than Grangemouth!
Prestwick has been making hay recently with a big uptick in plane loads of imports from China, Ryanair and other planes getting heavy maintenance and military refuelling, especially the USAF going to & from the Middle East, all while its ultimate owners bleat to the UK Government about USAF aircraft using the airport that they own. Figure that one out.

The passenger terminal is still a complete basket case though.

[48k]

Mabozza said:

Flew from London Stansted to Glasgow last night with sleazyjet. Flight was delayed for a few hours due to the inbound plane needing to refuel, but easyJets supplier was out of fuel.
According to the captain they had to plead and beg with another supplier to get some fuel which was already allocated to a different airline, and were then able to fly down to London.

That was fortunate. As suggested - the shortage isn't affecting every airline it depends on their supplier. So that's a pretty big favour for someone to give some of their allocation to a competitor.

[Simpo Two]

48k said:

Mabozza said:

Flew from London Stansted to Glasgow last night with sleazyjet. Flight was delayed for a few hours due to the inbound plane needing to refuel, but easyJets supplier was out of fuel.
According to the captain they had to plead and beg with another supplier to get some fuel which was already allocated to a different airline, and were then able to fly down to London.

That was fortunate. As suggested - the shortage isn't affecting every airline it depends on their supplier. So that's a pretty big favour for someone to give some of their allocation to a competitor.

It reminds me of the joke - or it may have been true - about a Russian airliner that couldn't depart because it needed a spare part and the airline's account was on hold as they hadn't paid their bills. So the passengers had a whip-round and bought the part so they could take off.

[colin79666]

All over earlier today according to some of the press. Staffing issues apparently but no further detail. Funny how something as major as the two biggest airports in the country being out of fuel for several major airlines was passed over by much of the press until it was basically resolved.

Given everything happening in the Middle East, it does make one wonder if it was being covered up.

[hotchy]

I must be going on holiday soon. My luck. Great.