Model Y Performance or EV6 GT - Thoughts please

[NoComment]

Hi All,

Looking for some real-world opinions from owners who have lived with both (or at least seriously considered both) the Tesla Model Y Performance and Kia EV6 GT.

I'm need to be get a car in the next couple of months, change of job role means I'll be working from a more local office 2-3 days per week and won't need to commute into London everyday. The two front-runners at the moment are MYP and EV6 GT. I'd be looking at used 2023 (23-plate) examples and have a budget of up to around £30k.

A bit of context:

I'll be relying almost entirely on public charging for the next 13-14 months until we move house and I can install a home charger.
Commute is around 50 miles round trip, 2-3 times per week.
The car will also be used for family duties, weekend camping trips and the occasional longer UK road trip.
Performance is important (hence looking at these two), but I also need something practical and easy to live with.
Ideally looking for something I can keep for several years rather than chop in after 12 months.

On paper, the Tesla seems to have the edge on efficiency, charging infrastructure and outright practicality, while the EV6 GT looks like the more interesting and characterful car to drive and has the 7 year warranty which is an added benefit.

I appreciate the Tesla Supercharger network is often cited as a major advantage, but my understanding is that I can access much of the network in a non-Tesla by subscribing via the Tesla app, so I'm interested to hear how much of a real-world advantage Tesla ownership still has in that respect.

A few questions for owners or anyone with previous experience:

What's the real-world range like on a motorway run in each I have a heavyish right foot and tend to sit at 80-90mph on a run?
Any reliability issues or expensive out-of-warranty concerns on 2023 plate Model Y's?
Which works better as a family car for weekends away and camping trips (If anyone has experience of this)?
Does the EV6 GT's range become frustrating when you're relying on public charging?
Is there anything else I should be looking at in this price range?

Interested to hear from anyone who has owned either, or ideally both.

Thanks

[Pickle_Rick]

Model Y will be more reliable, much better software and app (updated regularly), better sound system, has a 16v battery so doesn't suffer the electrical issues with 12v, bigger boot, much quicker, more efficient, no need to service to keep the 8 year warranty, if you miss service by 24 hours with the Kia, the warranty is void, better passenger space. Interior imo is nicer in the MY, it's lighter than the Kia, corners better and sportier to drive (suspension is firm, which may be a negative). The MY is impossible to steal with pin to drive set, short of a crane.

[jonwm]

I changed jobs recently and got a 23 Model Y P, I do a 60 mile round trip every day, 95% motorway and love the car, sound system is great, mine has EAP as bought approved used.

Space is great, very comfy, much less efficient that my older model 3 highland on the same trip but still get circa 3.5 MPKw which for a car as big, comfy and quick as this is fantastic. (was getting nearly 6 in my M3 RWD).

Not had a Kia but can recommend the Tesla.

[SlowV6]

Hope this isn't a thread hijack.

Down one rung performance wise I know, but I am considering a non-Juniper Model Y LR vs an EV6 GT-Line S AWD at <=£25k mark. If there is anyone who has driven both a 2023 Model Y with the "comfort suspension" and any variant of the EV6 I'd be keen to know how the ride compares.

OP - there is a known issue with the EV6 with a charging component known as the ICCU. This may or may not sway you. Kia have introduced a 15yr warranty but not yet resolved it. The only other issue I have unearthed with the EV6 is the headlights may aim too low. Again, if there are any owners who can comment that would be helpful.

The ride quality of the Model Y seems to be its main achilles heel, hence keen to hear balanced views from those who have owned/driven both.

[SWoll]

Pickle_Rick said:

Model Y will be more reliable, much better software and app (updated regularly), better sound system, has a 16v battery so doesn't suffer the electrical issues with 12v, bigger boot, much quicker, more efficient, no need to service to keep the 8 year warranty, if you miss service by 24 hours with the Kia, the warranty is void, better passenger space. Interior imo is nicer in the MY, it's lighter than the Kia, corners better and sportier to drive (suspension is firm, which may be a negative). The MY is impossible to steal with pin to drive set, short of a crane.

The Kia website states within 1 month or 1000 miles of the service being due, and doesn't need to be carried out by Kia as long as it's a VAT registered garage using Kia or equivalent quality parts.

The Kia 7 year/100k mile comprehensive warranty is what the servicing protects by the way, which is the one that covers all aspects of the car not just the battery. Tesla only give you an equivalent warranty for 4 years/60k miles from new.

[ZX10R NIN]

For me the EV6 is the better car/drive imo.

Real world I've seen around 200-220 in both & I too have a heavy right foot.

[NoComment]

Pickle_Rick said:

Model Y will be more reliable, much better software and app (updated regularly), better sound system, has a 16v battery so doesn't suffer the electrical issues with 12v, bigger boot, much quicker, more efficient, no need to service to keep the 8 year warranty, if you miss service by 24 hours with the Kia, the warranty is void, better passenger space. Interior imo is nicer in the MY, it's lighter than the Kia, corners better and sportier to drive (suspension is firm, which may be a negative). The MY is impossible to steal with pin to drive set, short of a crane.

I don't think it's any quicker, in fact on all the evidence I've seen its actually slower, but yes it does corner better.

With regards to warranty you get a 7 years or 100,000 miles (whichever comes first) on the car as standard with a 8 years or 100,000 miles 70% battery capacity on the battery. With the Tesla its only 4 years or 50,000 miles on the car, hence my question regarding out of warranty stuff on the model Y. With the Kia I could run it to 2030 or 100,000 worry free. I also do appreciate the ICCU issues that are ongoing are now also warranted for 15 years so again another thing less to worry about.

I wasn't aware that the Kia was easily stolen to be honest so thanks for that info.

Thanks for your input though, much appreciated.

[AyBee]

MYP for me, and I'd also probably get the home slow charger. It'll be cheaper and on that mileage, easy to keep it topped up from a 3-pin.

[NoComment]

ZX10R NIN said:

For me the EV6 is the better car/drive imo.

Real world I've seen around 200-220 in both & I too have a heavy right foot.

My main concern at the moment is the EV6 has an epa rating of 206 and the MYP 303. That's a significant difference I don't want to end up with 100-130 miles in the EV6 if I'm sat at 80-90 mph. If anyone has experience of real world range for these at these speeds please let me know.

Thanks

[TheDrownedApe]

NoComment said:

ZX10R NIN said:

For me the EV6 is the better car/drive imo.

Real world I've seen around 200-220 in both & I too have a heavy right foot.

My main concern at the moment is the EV6 has an epa rating of 206 and the MYP 303. That's a significant difference I don't want to end up with 100-130 miles in the EV6 if I'm sat at 80-90 mph. If anyone has experience of real world range for these at these speeds please let me know.

Thanks

I don't think anyone on a "long" journey drives at EV at those speeds - it's counterintuitive.

However when I'm coming back from the office in my current or previous 3 EVs, and i have plenty of range left to get home, i tend to bump the speeds up to 90 (from a normal 68) and see the range drop from what was say 140miles to 90 miles or about a 50% reduction - if that helps at all.

Edited by TheDrownedApe on Friday 12th June 10:40

[AyBee]

NoComment said:

My main concern at the moment is the EV6 has an epa rating of 206 and the MYP 303. That's a significant difference I don't want to end up with 100-130 miles in the EV6 if I'm sat at 80-90 mph. If anyone has experience of real world range for these at these speeds please let me know.

Thanks

Your range will drop substantially at 80-90mph vs 70, just as it would in an ICE car. That's fine if you're heading home with plenty of battery to get you there, but if you're on a long journey, you'll spend the saved driving time on charging so it becomes a pointless exercise. I'd be surprised if you got 200 miles from a full charge at 80-90mph, probably more likely 180 in summer and 150ish in winter.

[NoComment]

AyBee said:

Your range will drop substantially at 80-90mph vs 70, just as it would in an ICE car. That's fine if you're heading home with plenty of battery to get you there, but if you're on a long journey, you'll spend the saved driving time on charging so it becomes a pointless exercise. I'd be surprised if you got 200 miles from a full charge at 80-90mph, probably more likely 180 in summer and 150ish in winter.

I could live with that. Most longer journeys are around 240 miles. Add in a toilet / food stop on the way for 30 mins and that would get us there with a bit of charge while stopped.

[ZX10R NIN]

NoComment said:

My main concern at the moment is the EV6 has an epa rating of 206 and the MYP 303. That's a significant difference I don't want to end up with 100-130 miles in the EV6 if I'm sat at 80-90 mph. If anyone has experience of real world range for these at these speeds please let me know.

Thanks

You won't those numbers are real world in the normal ebb & flow of traffic on long runs with high speed stints when traffic allowed.

[napistonheads]

If it were the MYP juniper I d personally go with that but for the previous version it s closer. Juniper feels significantly more premium than the previous iteration. EV6 GT marginally faster but real world not that noticeable unless you re living life one quarter mile at a time. Drive both and see what you prefer I happen to like the Tesla infotainment (stereo is fantastic), one pedal driving and how it s calibrated, storage space and handling although the ride on the previous MYP was a bit harsh.

In terms of range at 80mph+ I have an M3P highland, anything over 70 will noticeably impact range. As one of the other posters mentioned you trade potential time saved on the road with more frequent and longer recharge stops depending on how far you re going. My M3P now shows 300 miles at 100% (313 miles when new) and will do roughly 190 miles all motorway (100% to 5%) at 80+ in winter (sub 5 celcius). Same speed in summer is about 220. At 70mph its more efficient (circa 250 miles in summer). I think the battery is 78 kWh total, 75kWh useable so the above figures i think are circa 2.6 miles kWh to 3.5 kWh. Tesla superchargers (the ones I ve used) are about 45-50p kWh (between 8am-8pm) or 20-30p kWH around those times depending on location. They work every time and I ve had to queue once in 15 months but i do see a lot of other makes using them now. 90% of my miles are home charging, I wouldn t have an EV without it. Hope that helps.

[_Rodders_]

I bet in the real world the Tesla is a good 50% more efficient.

That will be a reasonable saving when you're purely public charging.