John Healey resigns
Discussion
Hats of to him - he has shown credibility, and stood by the principle of collective ministerial responsibility.
Whilst I am sure a lucrative role in the defence sector awaits him, it shows how hollow the labour government is about their defence rhetoric.
Of course, the country still is massively in debt, and spending way more a year than it has in income....
Whilst I am sure a lucrative role in the defence sector awaits him, it shows how hollow the labour government is about their defence rhetoric.
Of course, the country still is massively in debt, and spending way more a year than it has in income....
rdjohn said:
Certainly another nail in the coffin of this Government. No point in shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic
How do we get rid of them before 2029 though? They have a huge majority in Parliament so unless lots of backbench Labour MP's are going to pass a vote of no confidence in their own government and force an election - which would be akin to turkeys voting for Christmas - we're stuck with a Labour government of some description (i.e. rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic) until mid-2029. And they can do a lot more damage to the country between now and then...
JNW1 said:
rdjohn said:
Certainly another nail in the coffin of this Government. No point in shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic
How do we get rid of them before 2029 though? They have a huge majority in Parliament so unless lots of backbench Labour MP's are going to pass a vote of no confidence in their own government and force an election - which would be akin to turkeys voting for Christmas - we're stuck with a Labour government of some description (i.e. rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic) until mid-2029. And they can do a lot more damage to the country between now and then...
Whilst you can admire his principled stand in reaction to lack of a new funding settlement, how well run is his department? Procurement and spending remain out of control, the navy remain in dock, hundreds of generals and admirals shuffle paper around, whilst we try and maintain a global presence. More money is needed, but how has he actually improved the MoD?
anonymous said:
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We don't have fixed five year terms - as relatively recent examples, see Theresa May, Boris Johnson and Rishi Sunak going to the country early for details. But if a government chooses to go the full five year term - and has the majority in Parliament to make that workable - then yes, we can't vote them out. Which was exactly the point I was making.
hondajack85 said:
Trump wants everyone to waste money on fancy fighter jets and ships but whats the threat? You literally have to invent one to justify it all.
The money is better spent battering the enemy within that show its face in the uk like we have seen last few nights.
Is this a joke? The money is better spent battering the enemy within that show its face in the uk like we have seen last few nights.
JNW1 said:
rdjohn said:
Certainly another nail in the coffin of this Government. No point in shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic
How do we get rid of them before 2029 though? They have a huge majority in Parliament so unless lots of backbench Labour MP's are going to pass a vote of no confidence in their own government and force an election - which would be akin to turkeys voting for Christmas - we're stuck with a Labour government of some description (i.e. rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic) until mid-2029. And they can do a lot more damage to the country between now and then...
Otherwise we just have to wait for the ship to sink by itself.
Ian Geary said:
Hats of to him - he has shown credibility, and stood by the principle of collective ministerial responsibility.
Whilst I am sure a lucrative role in the defence sector awaits him, it shows how hollow the labour government is about their defence rhetoric.
Of course, the country still is massively in debt, and spending way more a year than it has in income....
Fair.Whilst I am sure a lucrative role in the defence sector awaits him, it shows how hollow the labour government is about their defence rhetoric.
Of course, the country still is massively in debt, and spending way more a year than it has in income....
A 0.08% increase offered according to the BBC.
hondajack85 said:
Trump wants everyone to waste money on fancy fighter jets and ships but whats the threat? You literally have to invent one to justify it all.
The money is better spent battering the enemy within that show its face in the uk like we have seen last few nights.
have you been asleep under a rock lol. Russias military imperialism ongoing, no longer guarantees of USA defence in Europe...China.The money is better spent battering the enemy within that show its face in the uk like we have seen last few nights.
UK internal strife and protests are irrelevant by comparison.
hondajack85 said:
Trump wants everyone to waste money on fancy fighter jets and ships but whats the threat? You literally have to invent one to justify it all.
The money is better spent battering the enemy within that show its face in the uk like we have seen last few nights.
Vladimir?The money is better spent battering the enemy within that show its face in the uk like we have seen last few nights.
Earthdweller said:
I know we've had defence secretaries resign before but that's been because of scandals
I can't recall one ever resigning because the Prime Minister won't fund the defence of the realm properly
Truly remarkable
Now Cairns needs to go to retain any integrity and credibility
Knighton too.I can't recall one ever resigning because the Prime Minister won't fund the defence of the realm properly
Truly remarkable
Now Cairns needs to go to retain any integrity and credibility
Acorn1 said:
Probably the only person left in the Govt with any integrity gone.
How on earth has Starmer managed to cling to his position?
This surely has to be the last straw.
I'll agree heartily with the first statement. Healey was one of the last (probably the last) good guy. He had integrity where others had lies. How on earth has Starmer managed to cling to his position?
This surely has to be the last straw.
Points 2 and 3: 'tis a wonder. If Starmer had 1% of the integrity that Healey had then he would have stood down a long time ago. The fact that he hasn't shows his determination to cling on to power, come what may.
Despicable politics from despicable people.
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