Half of Britons want a second vote on Brexit
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
Haven't had a brexit thread in a while have we?
Personally I don't think having another referendum is a good idea. We should focus on building systems that allow frictionless trade with Europe with less red tape and costs. Also defense agreements to counter rising threats.
Haven't had a brexit thread in a while have we?
Personally I don't think having another referendum is a good idea. We should focus on building systems that allow frictionless trade with Europe with less red tape and costs. Also defense agreements to counter rising threats.
s1962a said:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/bre...
Haven't had a brexit thread in a while have we?
Personally I don't think having another referendum is a good idea. We should focus on building systems that allow frictionless trade with Europe with less red tape and costs.
Not happening, for a multitude of reasons. Haven't had a brexit thread in a while have we?
Personally I don't think having another referendum is a good idea. We should focus on building systems that allow frictionless trade with Europe with less red tape and costs.
No more referendums. The last one was a disaster.
If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
BikeBikeBIke said:
No more referendums. The last one was a disaster.
If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
For once, fully agree! ;-) If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
BikeBikeBIke said:
No more referendums. The last one was a disaster.
If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
Elections aren't decided on one issue though. Just because a party wins having included rejoining as part of their manifesto doesn't necessarily mean there's a majority who support that particular policy, especially given governments are seldom elected with more than 50% of the vote.If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
I've no problem with a party campaigning in an election on the basis of rejoining and, if they win, negotiating terms with the EU for doing so - but whether we accept those terms should then be put to the people in a referendum on that specific issue IMO.
JNW1 said:
Elections aren't decided on one issue though. Just because a party wins having included rejoining as part of their manifesto doesn't necessarily mean there's a majority who support that particular policy, especially given governments are seldom elected with more than 50% of the vote.
I've no problem with a party campaigning in an election on the basis of rejoining and, if they win, negotiating terms with the EU for doing so - but whether we accept those terms should then be put to the people in a referendum on that specific issue IMO.
No, referendums are a disaster that should never happen especially on such complex issues like Brexit or rejoining. I've no problem with a party campaigning in an election on the basis of rejoining and, if they win, negotiating terms with the EU for doing so - but whether we accept those terms should then be put to the people in a referendum on that specific issue IMO.
It needs to be a rational and analytical decision and not an emotional one and as we saw with the last one, bad actors on both sides will sway you towards the emotional response and in this age of fervent social media where Elon's bots can tip the balance, it can't be put out to a simple vote and as we saw with the Brexit vote, even those who voted out are still not happy and haven't got the 'Brexit they voted for'.
A party having it as a central plank of their manifesto where they can explain the terms of rejoining is the right way to go.
JNW1 said:
BikeBikeBIke said:
No more referendums. The last one was a disaster.
If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
Elections aren't decided on one issue though. Just because a party wins having included rejoining as part of their manifesto doesn't necessarily mean there's a majority who support that particular policy, especially given governments are seldom elected with more than 50% of the vote.If we want to rejoin the EU a party needs to campaign on it, win an election and then be responsible for implementing it.
Referendums are a dumb idea where something can be decided by people who don't have the responsibility to carry out the policy. (Or even define it.)
I've no problem with a party campaigning in an election on the basis of rejoining and, if they win, negotiating terms with the EU for doing so - but whether we accept those terms should then be put to the people in a referendum on that specific issue IMO.
I do wonder though whether those saying we shouldn't have another referendum in any circumstances though would say the same if it had been 52/48 for Remain?
Given what a shambles the last referendum was, and given how much things have changed in terms of social media and AI manipulation, foreign hacking interference attempts, "fake nooz" and politicians outright lying to the public even in the relatively short period since the last referendum... can you imagine what a bin fire another referendum would turn into?
A lot of the people wanting to jump back in will also be working from the flawed assumption that we could rejoin on the same terms we had before we left. No way the EU would ever agree to that. It's a bit like quitting your job, telling your boss what a bellend you think they are and how much you hate it there, then a few years later realising that actually you were better off having that job than not, and expecting them to rehire you on the same contract, salary, terms etc as you had before you left. Dream on!
Whether or not a big chunk of people who previously voted leave now realise they were had, it's a bit late for getting buyer's remorse... we need to move forward and try to strengthen our trading and defence relationships with Europe from the position we are now in, rather than getting wistful about what we used to have.
A lot of the people wanting to jump back in will also be working from the flawed assumption that we could rejoin on the same terms we had before we left. No way the EU would ever agree to that. It's a bit like quitting your job, telling your boss what a bellend you think they are and how much you hate it there, then a few years later realising that actually you were better off having that job than not, and expecting them to rehire you on the same contract, salary, terms etc as you had before you left. Dream on!
Whether or not a big chunk of people who previously voted leave now realise they were had, it's a bit late for getting buyer's remorse... we need to move forward and try to strengthen our trading and defence relationships with Europe from the position we are now in, rather than getting wistful about what we used to have.
No, half of Britons don’t want a second vote on Brexit. Half of a poll suggested in a free hit questionnaire that they would be ok with one. Free from consequences and grief.
I would put a lot of money on the vast vast majority of Brits never wanting to hear either the words referendum nor Brexit ever again.
I would put a lot of money on the vast vast majority of Brits never wanting to hear either the words referendum nor Brexit ever again.
Will we rejoin the EU? Almost certainly, but not anytime soon.
Rejoining requires a settled, durable majority, and the EU won't reopen the question until it's confident the UK won't flip-flop every election cycle. The under 30s back rejoining by big margins, the statistically older Brexiteers will continue to die off. Another 20 years and the UK will want to re-join across most age groups in big margins.
Meanwhile, the current position does the work anyway: the UK increasingly follows EU rules without a seat at the table, and each new "reset" deal: trade, mobility, research, security, pulls us further back into the EU's gravity well. By the time rejoining is politically possible, we will have to sign up to the Euro.
Thanks to the Brexiteers we threw away the best deal any member ever had, budget rebate, euro opt-out, Schengen opt-out, justice carve-outs, and when we return, it'll be as a normal member: no exemptions, no special status.
Rejoining requires a settled, durable majority, and the EU won't reopen the question until it's confident the UK won't flip-flop every election cycle. The under 30s back rejoining by big margins, the statistically older Brexiteers will continue to die off. Another 20 years and the UK will want to re-join across most age groups in big margins.
Meanwhile, the current position does the work anyway: the UK increasingly follows EU rules without a seat at the table, and each new "reset" deal: trade, mobility, research, security, pulls us further back into the EU's gravity well. By the time rejoining is politically possible, we will have to sign up to the Euro.
Thanks to the Brexiteers we threw away the best deal any member ever had, budget rebate, euro opt-out, Schengen opt-out, justice carve-outs, and when we return, it'll be as a normal member: no exemptions, no special status.
DeejRC said:
No, half of Britons don t want a second vote on Brexit. Half of a poll suggested in a free hit questionnaire that they would be ok with one. Free from consequences and grief.
I would put a lot of money on the vast vast majority of Brits never wanting to hear either the words referendum nor Brexit ever again.
Comes back again to the "have cake and eat it" nature of this particular topic. I would put a lot of money on the vast vast majority of Brits never wanting to hear either the words referendum nor Brexit ever again.
There have been quite a few polls and articles lately that suggest that the sentiment has shifted since 2019 and more of the public than not in 2026 now believe that being in the EU is preferable to being out of it. Regardless of the 2019 outcome. It's very much not a settled issue and the majority of the UK do not, in 2026, support Brexit.
BUT crucially, that's irrelevant. We have no time machine, nor a hindsight projector that can show the actual consequences and outcomes to the voting public before the 2019 vote happened. It's a pipe-dream.
We voted to leave, and getting back in would be a hugely messy, contentious bunfight. It would be exhausting and frustrating to all involved, and much like Brexit would be blighted by bad actors and unreasonable expectations on both sides, leading to nobody being happy with the terms on which we'd be allowed by the EU to rejoin.
So much like for many "this isn't the Brexit they voted for" it also wouldn't be the Rejoin they voted for either.
k, not this load of old bredback911 said:
We threw away the best deal any member ever had, budget rebate, euro opt-out, Schengen opt-out, justice carve-outs, and when we return, it'll be as a normal member: no exemptions, no special status.
We did and, for that reason alone, I cannot see it happening in my lifetime and I'm 53.For starters we would have to accept the Euro, and the EU would, I am pretty sure, be spiteful and punitive in any deal they offered us for having the temerity to leave.
It would be far better if our muppets and the EU muppets accepted that we are out but, for the betterment of both parties, it would be great it we put that behind us and work together.
valiant said:
JNW1 said:
Elections aren't decided on one issue though. Just because a party wins having included rejoining as part of their manifesto doesn't necessarily mean there's a majority who support that particular policy, especially given governments are seldom elected with more than 50% of the vote.
I've no problem with a party campaigning in an election on the basis of rejoining and, if they win, negotiating terms with the EU for doing so - but whether we accept those terms should then be put to the people in a referendum on that specific issue IMO.
No, referendums are a disaster that should never happen especially on such complex issues like Brexit or rejoining. I've no problem with a party campaigning in an election on the basis of rejoining and, if they win, negotiating terms with the EU for doing so - but whether we accept those terms should then be put to the people in a referendum on that specific issue IMO.
It needs to be a rational and analytical decision and not an emotional one and as we saw with the last one, bad actors on both sides will sway you towards the emotional response and in this age of fervent social media where Elon's bots can tip the balance, it can't be put out to a simple vote and as we saw with the Brexit vote, even those who voted out are still not happy and haven't got the 'Brexit they voted for'.
A party having it as a central plank of their manifesto where they can explain the terms of rejoining is the right way to go.
Having said that I don't want another referendum either - but that's because I want us to move forward instead of continually harking back to a failing club whose main core competence is its ability to regulate.
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