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Its everywhere today in north london. I thought they didnt have enough resorces, but today I passed an anpr unit then saw 7 bran-new ANPR printed patrol cars waiting in a neat line.
Then I saw another patrol later that day. Time is up for uninsured drivers thats for sure.
The only problem is how long before they run out of uninsured drivers and start using them to enforce speed restrictions.
These fixed ones they have, they are on same routs, at fixed distances, it doesnt take Einstein.
Then I saw another patrol later that day. Time is up for uninsured drivers thats for sure.
The only problem is how long before they run out of uninsured drivers and start using them to enforce speed restrictions.
These fixed ones they have, they are on same routs, at fixed distances, it doesnt take Einstein.
flamengo said:Unless they help themselves to the plates of the law abiding!
.......Time is up for uninsured drivers thats for sure.
Somebody nicked my number plate!
Getting to grips with uninsured drivers can't happen a moment too soon, IMHO.
How do I persuade those ANPR traps to make a little trip to my neck of the woods (East London)? I'd offer to buy the lads operating them a pint for each U-I driver they catch, but I fear it would bankrupt me.
Oli.
Edited 'cos of rubbish gramma.
>> Edited by zcacogp on Friday 14th October 10:40
How do I persuade those ANPR traps to make a little trip to my neck of the woods (East London)? I'd offer to buy the lads operating them a pint for each U-I driver they catch, but I fear it would bankrupt me.
Oli.
Edited 'cos of rubbish gramma.
>> Edited by zcacogp on Friday 14th October 10:40
john57 said:REALLY? Now that is interesting - thanks. By "Traffic Car", I guess you don't mean vauxhall astras that are used as simply transport, but the larger vehicles (BMW 5-series, predominantly in my area).
Every traffic car in London has ANPR fitted ...... it is not just used for static 'hits' at certain locations - it's on all the time the car is being used.
Two questions. How does it work - in practice? There is a camera pointing forwards (or backwards?) out of the traffic car, and it 'bleeps' whenever it spots a numberplate which doesn't have an associated insurance policy? Or does it work by some other means?
Also, are the police driving the vehicle obliged to respond to each 'hit', or do they only respond to some of them on a discretionary basis? Are the machines always on, or can they be (i.e do they spend most of their time) switched off?
The reason I ask is that I am 100% sure that approaching half the vehicles I see driven in my area are uninsured (my assumption, based on conversations with coppers in my area - I have nothing to back this up with) and yet I don't see traffic cars picking them out and stopping them. (And, if I am correct, it should be as simple as shooting fish in a barrel.)
Oli.
zcacogp said:
Every traffic car in London has ANPR fitted ...... it is not just used for static 'hits' at certain locations - it's on all the time the car is being used.
REALLY? Now that is interesting - thanks. By "Traffic Car", I guess you don't mean vauxhall astras that are used as simply transport, but the larger vehicles (BMW 5-series, predominantly in my area).
Two questions. How does it work - in practice? There is a camera pointing forwards (or backwards?) out of the traffic car, and it 'bleeps' whenever it spots a numberplate which doesn't have an associated insurance policy? Or does it work by some other means?
Also, are the police driving the vehicle obliged to respond to each 'hit', or do they only respond to some of them on a discretionary basis? Are the machines always on, or can they be (i.e do they spend most of their time) switched off?
The reason I ask is that I am 100% sure that approaching half the vehicles I see driven in my area are uninsured (my assumption, based on conversations with coppers in my area - I have nothing to back this up with) and yet I don't see traffic cars picking them out and stopping them. (And, if I am correct, it should be as simple as shooting fish in a barrel.)
Oli.
Two cameras - one front, one back ...... not linked yet directly to the insurance database but it is linked to many, many others .... cars with no insurance show up in other ways !
The officers in the car will view the data from each hit when they are not engaged doing something else - and subject to the information shown will act accordingly. They may have to account for why they didn't deal with a 'hit' at a later date as the results are dip sampled to ensure people are using the system properly.
The thing to remember is that it is a computer and is not foolproof ..... or indeed policemanproof ! It does misread and break down but when it is working properly we get some good results.
It would not be right of me to go further into exact details on how it works on a public forum but hopefully the above answers some of your questions.
john57 said:That's interesting - thanks. Helpful to know a little more about it. I appreciate your sensibilities in not wanting to put too much information up here.
Two cameras - one front, one back ...... not linked yet directly to the insurance database but it is linked to many, many others .... cars with no insurance show up in other ways !
The officers in the car will view the data from each hit when they are not engaged doing something else - and subject to the information shown will act accordingly. They may have to account for why they didn't deal with a 'hit' at a later date as the results are dip sampled to ensure people are using the system properly.
The thing to remember is that it is a computer and is not foolproof ..... or indeed policemanproof ! It does misread and break down but when it is working properly we get some good results.
It would not be right of me to go further into exact details on how it works on a public forum but hopefully the above answers some of your questions.
If I said my concern was the number of uninsured and unlicensed drivers in my local area, as well as the number of cars without tax, MOT's and all the rest of it, what would you say I could do about it? I can't speak categorically, but I don't see my local police doing much to catch them, and quite often wonder why I am bothering to pay my insurance premiums when it seems to be very much optional to be insured.
Oli.
Let me give a real life example.
Chap gets his car lifted by the parking towaway squad in the Smoke. Thinks it has been nicked because it WAS parked legally, showing visitor permit, correct hours bla bla bla. Reports it to local plod who duly record it and PNC marker follows.
Returns to place he is visiting meanwhile a neighbour has been round to say they saw vehicle being lifted by towaway parking scammers.
Chap heads off to compound, pays penalty fee subject to appeal for reason vehicle legally parked. Side issue time noted on parking scam paperwork confirms car lifted at a time when it would have been illegally parked, however vehicle already gone two hours before this time as witnessed by owner and neighbour, Ho hum!
Immediately after recovering car heads back to original plod shop to give results of further investigations and withdraw report. No problem duly done, but warned he might get pulled for a day or so due to "the system."
He leaves smoke heads up to Scotland, pull 1 M6 Cumbria unmarked Galaxy, pull 2 M8 Glasgow fully liveried traffic car, showed paperwork from the Met and id, thanks be on your way sir. After that no further problems.
Of course it demands proper organic policing and not Constable Diode.
Chap gets his car lifted by the parking towaway squad in the Smoke. Thinks it has been nicked because it WAS parked legally, showing visitor permit, correct hours bla bla bla. Reports it to local plod who duly record it and PNC marker follows.
Returns to place he is visiting meanwhile a neighbour has been round to say they saw vehicle being lifted by towaway parking scammers.
Chap heads off to compound, pays penalty fee subject to appeal for reason vehicle legally parked. Side issue time noted on parking scam paperwork confirms car lifted at a time when it would have been illegally parked, however vehicle already gone two hours before this time as witnessed by owner and neighbour, Ho hum!
Immediately after recovering car heads back to original plod shop to give results of further investigations and withdraw report. No problem duly done, but warned he might get pulled for a day or so due to "the system."
He leaves smoke heads up to Scotland, pull 1 M6 Cumbria unmarked Galaxy, pull 2 M8 Glasgow fully liveried traffic car, showed paperwork from the Met and id, thanks be on your way sir. After that no further problems.
Of course it demands proper organic policing and not Constable Diode.
Flat in Fifth said:I'd be gunning for the hide of the person who towed it away, if this was the case. No excuses accepted! Good story tho' - shows it works.
Side issue time noted on parking scam paperwork confirms car lifted at a time when it would have been illegally parked, however vehicle already gone two hours before this time as witnessed by owner and neighbour, Ho hum!
I can see this being a big advantage of ANPR, but I was hoping that it would be used for the pursuit of uninsured drivers as well - where I see there being much work to be done in my patch. Having been the victim of such pr1cks on two occasions previously, I would like to see some serious strides being made in this area ....
Oli.
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