When faced with a Russian warship...
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'They sounded their horn five times so we turned two degrees to port so they could see we were turning'.
WTF? You won't see a two degree turn.
So from Captain Ivan's POV they ignored the warning. It doesn't matter if they were going to miss the warship, you don't argue with warships, especially not Russian ones.
'They sounded their horn another five times so then we did a 90 degree turn away'.
Well done. Pity you weren't that bright to start with!
WTF? You won't see a two degree turn.
So from Captain Ivan's POV they ignored the warning. It doesn't matter if they were going to miss the warship, you don't argue with warships, especially not Russian ones.
'They sounded their horn another five times so then we did a 90 degree turn away'.
Well done. Pity you weren't that bright to start with!
Simpo Two said:
'They sounded their horn five times so we turned two degrees to port so they could see we were turning'.
WTF? You won't see a two degree turn.
So from Captain Ivan's POV they ignored the warning. It doesn't matter if they were going to miss the warship, you don't argue with warships, especially not Russian ones.
'They sounded their horn another five times so then we did a 90 degree turn away'.
Well done. Pity you weren't that bright to start with!
Yeah, I read that. 2 degrees is definitely a clear and obvious change to course under the Col Regs. WTF? You won't see a two degree turn.
So from Captain Ivan's POV they ignored the warning. It doesn't matter if they were going to miss the warship, you don't argue with warships, especially not Russian ones.
'They sounded their horn another five times so then we did a 90 degree turn away'.
Well done. Pity you weren't that bright to start with!
A 90 degree change to course and get da fook away from the big grey thing with guns, is definitely what would be in my mind in the first instance.
Not sure about you, but I don't play RoW games with big stuff. I make a clear change of course early, get on the radio if I have to and make sure neither of us have to play the "after you, no after you" game.
If after sounding 5 hoots twice the give way vessel has not altered course the thing to do is alter your own course and get on with your life, not send the boatswain on a wild goose chase to find a gun and some ammunition to fire warning shots; if it's no longer safe or possible to alter course without colliding your watchkeeper has failed and needs an interview without tea or biscuits.
The Russian ship was drifting according to the BBC article.
Have sailed across the channel many times and never got this close to a big ship. If you get 5 beeps. make it bloody obvious what you’re doing, not a 2 degree change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yzm84r7lo
Have sailed across the channel many times and never got this close to a big ship. If you get 5 beeps. make it bloody obvious what you’re doing, not a 2 degree change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yzm84r7lo
hyperblue said:
The Russian ship was drifting according to the BBC article.
Have sailed across the channel many times and never got this close to a big ship. If you get 5 beeps. make it bloody obvious what you re doing, not a 2 degree change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yzm84r7lo
Not really, if they were drifting there's even less chance of collision and definitely no grounds for firing popguns. What they thought they were doing drifting in poor visibility in one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world is to be wondered at.Have sailed across the channel many times and never got this close to a big ship. If you get 5 beeps. make it bloody obvious what you re doing, not a 2 degree change.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20yzm84r7lo
Jo-say8k said:
It seems to me that the Russians were right for a change, God bless 'em.
They tried twice on the ship's horn and didn't get a response!
And the radio, said the Russians. Russians aren't known for being expert at truth but in this case it wouldn't surprise me if Mr and Mrs Wotsit had forgotten to switch it on.They tried twice on the ship's horn and didn't get a response!
Fortunately no Russian warships inland (yet) on my patch but the obvious thing to do is attack with the handy tubes on each side then leg it home for tea and medals
78Pace said:
The media suggested that it was foggy and that visibility was poor. That being so, then it doesn't seem very responsible for someone to start "firing warning shots" to avoid a collision.
Its very easy to fire a warning shot from a ship and make sure it doesn't hit anyone.hidetheelephants said:
Not really, if they were drifting there's even less chance of collision and definitely no grounds for firing popguns. What they thought they were doing drifting in poor visibility in one of the busiest shipping lanes in the world is to be wondered at.
Maybe Ivan was concerned the yacht could be a threat?USS Cole was it? Embarrassingly attacked by small boat?
Russia is at war, sympathisers for the other side are everywhere.
In Ivan's shoes, how close would you let the yacht get?
OutInTheShed said:
Maybe Ivan was concerned the yacht could be a threat?
USS Cole was it? Embarrassingly attacked by small boat?
Russia is at war, sympathisers for the other side are everywhere.
In Ivan's shoes, how close would you let the yacht get?
That crossed my mind too - the boat might have been laden with explosives and manned by expat Ukrainians... although speed and some sense of direction would be helpful.USS Cole was it? Embarrassingly attacked by small boat?
Russia is at war, sympathisers for the other side are everywhere.
In Ivan's shoes, how close would you let the yacht get?
In summary, a slightly trigger happy captain and a couple of twits I think. Not really a news item.
So you're navigating under sail at night through busy international waters in fog. You should have radar lights horn and look out, so how do you miss a big warship in your path? Would you sail on set collision course, and claim priority over the powered vessel, or just give it a very wide berth? Hmm, this needs to be RYA exam question.
Glad they didn't encounter the yanks who blow up as first response, double tap to be sure and then sail away from any survivors...with your death video aired on prime time news. By contrast, Ivan seems quite civilized for deliberately missing.
Glad they didn't encounter the yanks who blow up as first response, double tap to be sure and then sail away from any survivors...with your death video aired on prime time news. By contrast, Ivan seems quite civilized for deliberately missing.
Simpo Two said:
Jo-say8k said:
It seems to me that the Russians were right for a change, God bless 'em.
They tried twice on the ship's horn and didn't get a response!
And the radio, said the Russians. Russians aren't known for being expert at truth but in this case it wouldn't surprise me if Mr and Mrs Wotsit had forgotten to switch it on.They tried twice on the ship's horn and didn't get a response!
Fortunately no Russian warships inland (yet) on my patch but the obvious thing to do is attack with the handy tubes on each side then leg it home for tea and medals
HocusPocus said:
So you're navigating under sail at night through busy international waters in fog. You should have radar lights horn and look out, so how do you miss a big warship in your path? Would you sail on set collision course, and claim priority over the powered vessel, or just give it a very wide berth? Hmm, this needs to be RYA exam question.
Glad they didn't encounter the yanks who blow up as first response, double tap to be sure and then sail away from any survivors...with your death video aired on prime time news. By contrast, Ivan seems quite civilized for deliberately missing.
The article describing the circumstances claims they saw the warship from some distance away and could read the lettering on the side so not at night, they claim they were not on a collision course and as a sailing vessel had right of way. This is russians being russians, ships that don't want vessels on innocent passage to pass close to them should fGlad they didn't encounter the yanks who blow up as first response, double tap to be sure and then sail away from any survivors...with your death video aired on prime time news. By contrast, Ivan seems quite civilized for deliberately missing.
k off out of the channel and stop lollygagging about. I've encountered USN vessels at sea, they conducted themselves with professionalism barring their rather pompous VHF chat and being much faster than yachts they can look after themselves as far as keeping whatever distance they want to maintain, rather than russian hysteria and gunfire about the perils of being marauded by a 12 metre yacht travelling at a brisk walking pace.Gassing Station | Boats, Planes & Trains | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff