The law seems to be much worse than an ass here.
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I ve just been watching this on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/user/volkswizard?sub_confi...
(2 Year Police Lie Saga…)
It s quite an extraordinary story, but what struck me most was the thought that an officer with such poor written language skills could have been recruited and retained in the first place. This is then exacerbated by lack of driving skills (just see the body cam footage and his use of the steering wheel - you don t even have to take the word of the YouTuber on his following distance).
I would go even further than the YouTuber on being completely baffled why this was ever even considered for prosecution. Consistent use of the word break instead (presumably) of brake would among many other things surely render the written summary completely useless? A lawyer could just ask what exactly had been broken. The only logical conclusion is that neither the DPP (or the first court) even looked at the officers report.
https://www.youtube.com/user/volkswizard?sub_confi...
(2 Year Police Lie Saga…)
It s quite an extraordinary story, but what struck me most was the thought that an officer with such poor written language skills could have been recruited and retained in the first place. This is then exacerbated by lack of driving skills (just see the body cam footage and his use of the steering wheel - you don t even have to take the word of the YouTuber on his following distance).
I would go even further than the YouTuber on being completely baffled why this was ever even considered for prosecution. Consistent use of the word break instead (presumably) of brake would among many other things surely render the written summary completely useless? A lawyer could just ask what exactly had been broken. The only logical conclusion is that neither the DPP (or the first court) even looked at the officers report.
Here's the link direct to the video without the nagging "subscribe to the channel" stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHc_i9OSb4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHc_i9OSb4A
Super Sonic said:
I would say this shouldn't have been prosecuted, but I don't think the poor spelling is relevant.
I would take the view that ludicrous errors in words that are strongly related to the job (see break/brake, license/licence) , must call into question his fitness for the work even before going into the many factual errors that the You Tuber points out. My main contact with Traffic Officers over the years was for RoSPA three yearly re-tests. None of those examining officers would have commented on my ‘breaking’ techniques. They would also have poured scorn on the comedy steering from the body cam footage.
Poor statement- lacks detail and accuracy - includes no direction of travel of either drivers car or the Police car at the time the driver turned across their path. . The Police car was actually on the A423 when the driver turned into Fosse Way across their path - at odds with the officers statement - states he was already on the Fosse Way. How far from the police vehicle was he when turning across their path? How long was he followed for? Approx speeds? Were other vehicles forced to brake/change course when he overtook them? Weather? Visibility?...all standard stuff
Not surprised the matter wasnt pursued if this was the evidence presented to the court.
Not surprised the matter wasnt pursued if this was the evidence presented to the court.
Edited by Bigends on Monday 22 June 01:05
Edited by Bigends on Monday 22 June 07:48
Debaser said:
I feel sorry for the guy in the video.
I'm sad but not surprised the police lie, something similar happened to my father who was pulled over and accused of doing something he hadn't. When he denied it they admitted lying and said 'yeah, but who will they believe in court, you or me?'
That's exactly it. It becomes an illness with them.I'm sad but not surprised the police lie, something similar happened to my father who was pulled over and accused of doing something he hadn't. When he denied it they admitted lying and said 'yeah, but who will they believe in court, you or me?'
Thank god for:
The Duty Solicitors Scheme.
PACE 1984 with recorded interviews.
Cameras in police stations.
Body Worn cameras
The Professional Standards Branch (Try making a complaint about the police in the 70's and 80's !)
All have help to protect the public. Still some way to go to eradicate the "attitude test" and lying though!, it's a lot better than it was.
Super Sonic said:
I would say this shouldn't have been prosecuted, but I don't think the poor spelling is relevant.
Agreed. My brother is an armed response cop. Completely dedicated to his job and very experienced but is also quite severely dyslexic. His report writing will be detailed and accurate but will also be littered with spelling errors. It really isn't important or relevant to the content of the report as long as it can be understood.
Foss62 said:
Super Sonic said:
I would say this shouldn't have been prosecuted, but I don't think the poor spelling is relevant.
I would take the view that ludicrous errors in words that are strongly related to the job (see break/brake, license/licence) , must call into question his fitness for the work...(even before going into the many factual errors that the You Tuber points out.
My main contact with Traffic Officers over the years was for RoSPA three yearly re-tests. None of those examining officers would have commented on my breaking techniques. They would also have poured scorn on the comedy steering from the body cam footage).
Bigends said:
Super Sonic said:
I would say this shouldn't have been prosecuted, but I don't think the poor spelling is relevant.
Not particularly professional on official paperwork though. I just wish the R8 driver had front and rear dashcam footage to show the initial 'incident' was a non-event, and the tailgating that followed.
If the R8's overtake was so dangerous - why did the police car follow? If anything his was more dangerous, view down the road obstructed by the R8 in front and he had around a quarter of the power to get past the traffic promptly.
It all just smacked of jealousy on the part of the cop. Angry that someone with a decent car dared to cross his path.
If the R8's overtake was so dangerous - why did the police car follow? If anything his was more dangerous, view down the road obstructed by the R8 in front and he had around a quarter of the power to get past the traffic promptly.
It all just smacked of jealousy on the part of the cop. Angry that someone with a decent car dared to cross his path.
Edited by CMTMB on Monday 22 June 16:38
Too long so I've skimmed though it.
Bit silly to reply to the SJPN by post when there's a dedicated online plea website. Probably not his fault that he was convicted, but the online plea website is the safe option.
He's a bit naive to think that CPS will step in to stop the police prosecuting such a case. Initially, including at court, it's a Police Led Prosecution with a police prosecutor present. It's nothing to do with CPS in the early stages of proceedings.
When CPS did take over conduct of the proceedings, it should have been binned.
Bit silly to reply to the SJPN by post when there's a dedicated online plea website. Probably not his fault that he was convicted, but the online plea website is the safe option.
He's a bit naive to think that CPS will step in to stop the police prosecuting such a case. Initially, including at court, it's a Police Led Prosecution with a police prosecutor present. It's nothing to do with CPS in the early stages of proceedings.
When CPS did take over conduct of the proceedings, it should have been binned.
clive_candy said:
Surprised there was no camera in the cop car, or was there...
If you look at the video, he says the police were in their car for iirc nine minutes before they got out to talk to him. Reviewing their video? Also, there is a piece of bodycam video from the plod sitting in the car, which shows a wire coming from behind the mirror to the headlining, same as a dashcam has.Foss62 said:
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It s quite an extraordinary story, but what struck me most was the thought that an officer with such poor written language skills could have been recruited and retained in the first place.
I've know a number of police officers who were great value for money and many of them were great thief-takers.It s quite an extraordinary story, but what struck me most was the thought that an officer with such poor written language skills could have been recruited and retained in the first place.
I was in training for a short while and one of my students was a CSM with a number of tours in NI and a bigger tally of medals. He was something of a hero. He was remarkably pleasant and also helpful to the other students, particularly with regards to bulling boots. He gave the impression of being utterly dependable and with him at your back, you'd feel faster than a speeding bullet, etc.
He continually failed the weekly exams, even when told the answers beforehand. It seems he was dyslexic. We got him through the exams by various methods and he was every bit as useful to his force as he was to the armed forces.
This was before discrimination legislation.
Have you problems with recruiting said CSM? I would have had him on my shift. Might even have bribed someone.
Derek Smith said:
I've know a number of police officers who were great value for money and many of them were great thief-takers.
I was in training for a short while and one of my students was a CSM with a number of tours in NI and a bigger tally of medals. He was something of a hero. He was remarkably pleasant and also helpful to the other students, particularly with regards to bulling boots. He gave the impression of being utterly dependable and with him at your back, you'd feel faster than a speeding bullet, etc.
He continually failed the weekly exams, even when told the answers beforehand. It seems he was dyslexic. We got him through the exams by various methods and he was every bit as useful to his force as he was to the armed forces.
This was before discrimination legislation.
Have you problems with recruiting said CSM? I would have had him on my shift. Might even have bribed someone.
My grandad was a CSM (and was awarded a DCM on the Somme). Despite leaving school at the age of ten he had a great command of written English and did crosswords almost up to the day he died in the late 1980s (!).I was in training for a short while and one of my students was a CSM with a number of tours in NI and a bigger tally of medals. He was something of a hero. He was remarkably pleasant and also helpful to the other students, particularly with regards to bulling boots. He gave the impression of being utterly dependable and with him at your back, you'd feel faster than a speeding bullet, etc.
He continually failed the weekly exams, even when told the answers beforehand. It seems he was dyslexic. We got him through the exams by various methods and he was every bit as useful to his force as he was to the armed forces.
This was before discrimination legislation.
Have you problems with recruiting said CSM? I would have had him on my shift. Might even have bribed someone.
However, it’s not so much the officer’s general command of written English that worries me. It’s the mindset that even in a very important legal document he couldn’t be bothered to check some of the most important terms for accuracy. The alternative is even more horrific - a police officer involved in traffic has never read anything involving brakes or driving licences.
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