A13 crash yesterday

[Rockettvr]

Crash on the A13 last night - was still shut on my way into work this morning at 6am
2 deaths and another critical
3 arrests for death by dangerous driving and failure to stop
Awful crash looking at what remains of the vehicle
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/car-crash-a...

[TopTrump]

Jeez. Was it a Golf?

[jimmyjimjim]

Blimey. Made me think of the Toivonen crash.

[JoshSm]

Looks like the tree/telephone pole won again. Though they do somehow seem to have hit whatever it was at speed, roof first.

Might be unfair to draw conclusions but a reasonable guess of the basics of it doesn't seem difficult.

[gotoPzero]

There was one in Florida the other day, an M3 I think, maybe and M2. Hit a huge light pole whilst being chased by the police and literally disintegrated.
Some how both occupants survived.

[Rockettvr]

There’s stills and video of just after the crash
on line - not pleasant
Somehow the car has gone sideways,up along the Armco between the main road and the slip until hitting the big solid post just before the fencing, and then bursting into flames. Awful

[Hugo Stiglitz]

That’s awful but why drive soo badly in daylight/obviously a busy time?

[JoshSm]

Rockettvr said:

Somehow the car has gone sideways,up along the Armco between the main road and the slip until hitting the big solid post just before the fencing, and then bursting into flames. Awful

'Somehow' looks like it involved clipping the rear corner of someone else's car with the front of theirs hard enough to take the wheel off the other car, this probably ended up launching them into the scenery which unluckily for them was a lot more solid than their flying car.

It would of course be pure speculation given the location/type of car/occupants/speed/location of the damage/the other car that left the scene to assume they were racing between the other traffic and cocked it up.

In which case my sympathy would be minimal.

[Hugo Stiglitz]

But what if someone in the car wasn’t up for speeding and was saying slow slow slow down?

As a kid, along with another PHer on here I knew a lad who really thought he was a fantastic driver. He was AWFUL. He thought sawing at the wheel cornering was the way to do it and often had near misses and a couple of write offs.

I stopped going in his car. It was bloody awful, I can still remember how unsettled the car was/were.

[JoshSm]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

That s awful but why drive soo badly in daylight/obviously a busy time?

Because they're idiots with little brains, no social skills, a liking for fast German cars, and think rules don't apply.

[JoshSm]

Hugo Stiglitz said:

But what if someone in the car wasn t up for speeding and was saying slow slow slow down?

That's possible I guess, but that's their responsibility not mine. If you're an idiot and that kills your mates it's your fault.

Usual pattern wouldn't involve screaming innocents being taken to their doom.

[croyde]

I have no need to drive around East London anymore and I'm glad as the amount of young men driving powerful German cars that even I would find difficult to insure, stinking of skunk tearing through the traffic was a joke.

Always seemingly immune to the traffic cameras too.

Again, reliance on cameras for keeping the law (filling the coffers) is not working.

Unfortunately I do have to use the A40 leaving London, which is a 40 average, yet I often have German cars with loud exhausts passing mine as if I'm going backwards as they weave through the traffic to head out to the Beaconsfield Services to grab a burger then head back.

[sparta6]

JoshSm said:

Hugo Stiglitz said:

That s awful but why drive soo badly in daylight/obviously a busy time?

Because they're idiots with little brains, no social skills, a liking for fast German cars, and think rules don't apply.

DUI is common especially laughing gas around Tower Hamlets and its vicinity

[Johnnybee]

The video from CCTV is on X/twitter, no gore and the impact is just out of frame and the recording immediately stops. Very obviously racing another car and some very lucky innocent motorists

https://x.com/east_ldn2026/status/2071312192239256...

[JoshSm]

Johnnybee said:

The video from CCTV is on X/twitter, no gore and the impact is just out of frame and the recording immediately stops. Very obviously racing another car and some very lucky innocent motorists

https://x.com/east_ldn2026/status/2071312192239256...

Exactly as expected - racing through traffic and a lack of brains and talent removed them from the gene pool.

Shame other people got their cars damaged and some poor sods had to go scrape up the charcoal.

[croyde]

Jeez! Lucky innocents weren't taken out.

So the average speed cameras really helped.

Another where are the police situation.

I was a young driver and motorcyclist in the 70s/80s and me and my mates were forever being pulled over by the police for documents to be checked.

They would sometimes take over say Westminster Bridge and pull everyone for a check and often hit the jackpot.

When I see cars ignoring the average speed cams and eBikes the size of large motorbikes tearing along pavements, no helmets etc I wonder why I bother spending large amounts of money on insurance and tax.....

Edited by croyde on Monday 29th June 07:42

[Gary29]

Watching too much 'Driva Dave' on Youtube and thinking they're invincible.

I did drive like a tt a few times when I was 18/19, but luckily, I did have some common sense not to do it in heavy traffic like this and learnt my lesson pretty quickly, these were not so lucky.

[Peterpetrole]

croyde said:

I have no need to drive around East London anymore and I'm glad as the amount of young men driving powerful German cars that even I would find difficult to insure, stinking of skunk tearing through the traffic was a joke.

Always seemingly immune to the traffic cameras too.

Again, reliance on cameras for keeping the law (filling the coffers) is not working.

Unfortunately I do have to use the A40 leaving London, which is a 40 average, yet I often have German cars with loud exhausts passing mine as if I'm going backwards as they weave through the traffic to head out to the Beaconsfield Services to grab a burger then head back.

All this ^^^^

There must be a reason the police arent making easy pulls and raking thousands in fines every night on the A13 and North circular.

[Crumpet]

Between drivers like this and balaclava wearing pond-life on unlicensed Sur-Rons there does appear to be an ever increasing number of people who simply don’t give a st about society.

I had three of the clowns pulling wheelies about six foot from my rear bumper yesterday. And then tried to kick my car when I made a left turn while two were overtaking on the right and one on the left. I despair at what’s happening to this country.

Fortunately it appears in this incident that no decent, law-abiding people were injured. Sympathy level for the victims is zero.

[Digga]

Crumpet said:

Between drivers like this and balaclava wearing pond-life on unlicensed Sur-Rons there does appear to be an ever increasing number of people who simply don t give a st about society.

I had three of the clowns pulling wheelies about six foot from my rear bumper yesterday. And then tried to kick my car when I made a left turn while two were overtaking on the right and one on the left. I despair at what s happening to this country.

Fortunately it appears in this incident that no decent, law-abiding people were injured. Sympathy level for the victims is zero.

^This.

When the state cannot maintain basic law and order, it loses legitimacy. Ordinary, honest, insured drivers were involved, unwittingly, in that incident. Only through good luck, were none injured.

More average speed cameras, better use of AI and ANPR to track and prosecute uninsured motorists and electric bike riders is needed. Above all, a return to proper police road traffic patrolling.