White working-class children failed by education system...
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...say inquiry
BBC said:
Once-in-a-generation reforms are needed to fix an education system that "is not serving the interests of white working-class children", an independent inquiry has concluded.
It was set up last summer to look into why such children are the lowest-performing large demographic in the school system in England.
Inquiry co-chair Baroness Estelle Morris said responsibility "cannot sit with schools alone" and was not due to a lack of aspiration or effort from young people.
Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson said generations had been "robbed of opportunity".
Link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq51j10q601oIt was set up last summer to look into why such children are the lowest-performing large demographic in the school system in England.
Inquiry co-chair Baroness Estelle Morris said responsibility "cannot sit with schools alone" and was not due to a lack of aspiration or effort from young people.
Education Secretary Bridget Phillipson said generations had been "robbed of opportunity".
Bridget pretending she gives a damn about kids is the highlight of that. Everything she's done has been self serving with her quasi-marxist agenda.
No surprise that the white working class has been left behind in recent years. The Uniparty are so thick that they can't see that their woke rhetoric and prioritisation of DEI over the working class has created the Reform/Restore nightmare that haunts their dreams. How hard can it be to implement a proper apprenticeship scheme that allows everyone from carpet fitters to plumbers to support and educate youngsters? That we had organisations such as the RAF banning white recruitment has helped create this monster.
No surprise that the white working class has been left behind in recent years. The Uniparty are so thick that they can't see that their woke rhetoric and prioritisation of DEI over the working class has created the Reform/Restore nightmare that haunts their dreams. How hard can it be to implement a proper apprenticeship scheme that allows everyone from carpet fitters to plumbers to support and educate youngsters? That we had organisations such as the RAF banning white recruitment has helped create this monster.
Jonmx said:
Bridget pretending she gives a damn about kids is the highlight of that. Everything she's done has been self serving with her quasi-marxist agenda.
No surprise that the white working class has been left behind in recent years. The Uniparty are so thick that they can't see that their woke rhetoric and prioritisation of DEI over the working class has created the Reform/Restore nightmare that haunts their dreams. How hard can it be to implement a proper apprenticeship scheme that allows everyone from carpet fitters to plumbers to support and educate youngsters? That we had organisations such as the RAF banning white recruitment has helped create this monster.
Would you like to explain how quasi-marxism, DEI, woke rhetoric or RAF recruitment policy affects school children?No surprise that the white working class has been left behind in recent years. The Uniparty are so thick that they can't see that their woke rhetoric and prioritisation of DEI over the working class has created the Reform/Restore nightmare that haunts their dreams. How hard can it be to implement a proper apprenticeship scheme that allows everyone from carpet fitters to plumbers to support and educate youngsters? That we had organisations such as the RAF banning white recruitment has helped create this monster.
Key findings from the report said:
48% of white working class children reach a good level of development by age five, compared with 75% of white British children not on free school meals.
36% of white working class pupils achieve a Grade 4 or above in English and Maths GCSE, compared with 72% of all pupils not on free school meals
13% of school sessions are missed by white working class pupils, compared to 7% for all pupils
52% of white working class pupils told the inquiry they were likely to go to university, compared with 82% of their peers
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.36% of white working class pupils achieve a Grade 4 or above in English and Maths GCSE, compared with 72% of all pupils not on free school meals
13% of school sessions are missed by white working class pupils, compared to 7% for all pupils
52% of white working class pupils told the inquiry they were likely to go to university, compared with 82% of their peers
tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
That's a very significant factor.One thing which exacerbates the points you've made (and which a lot of people don't like to talk about) is the number of single parent households there.
Countdown said:
tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
That's a very significant factor.One thing which exacerbates the points you've made (and which a lot of people don't like to talk about) is the number of single parent households there.
The parents have a gaff in our village where most normal working age people with kids can’t afford to live. They don’t work
I exhaust myself every day to keep the lights on.
I suspect they chuckle at me literally running down the road to get back to a take my first call at 9am
Lunch at 3pm to pick my kid up etc
I’m tired
Spare tyre said:
Countdown said:
tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
That's a very significant factor.One thing which exacerbates the points you've made (and which a lot of people don't like to talk about) is the number of single parent households there.
The parents have a gaff in our village where most normal working age people with kids can t afford to live. They don t work
I exhaust myself every day to keep the lights on.
I suspect they chuckle at me literally running down the road to get back to a take my first call at 9am
Lunch at 3pm to pick my kid up etc
I m tired
It probably sounds stupid but I genuinely believe some people are just build differently and will do everything they can to avoid handouts where as some just take everything they can get and are outraged that they don't get more.
swisstoni said:
You could say similarly disparaging things about other communities but you would be descended on from a great height.
Being a white working class male from a northern council estate benefiting from a 'comprehensive' education I feel that I have some experience on this particular subject. Of my peer group that I'm still aware of (who aren't in prison or died from drugs), there's a direct correlation between those with feckless parents and those who have become feckless parents.There is a huge amount of money going to the schools in deprived areas (or more specifically to the schools where deprived children go) but it is well known that working class children fall behind in school holidays because middle class parents are much more likely to encourage them to read at home. Covid was the same, but over a span of months rather than weeks.
Successive governments, especially the coalition, cut money going to schools in middle class areas and pumped more into deprived areas without really thinking about everything that goes into grades and outcomes.
Successive governments, especially the coalition, cut money going to schools in middle class areas and pumped more into deprived areas without really thinking about everything that goes into grades and outcomes.
The greatest determinant of educational attainment for children is their parents - more specifically parental education and career success. We like to think attitude, discipline etc. are the dominant factors behind parental influence in success but genetics plays a very significant role in general intelligence
I wonder whether the difference in performance between the white working classes and other ethnic groups is a legacy of the relatively brief but recent grammar school experiment which largely applied to the post war largely white population.
I wonder whether the difference in performance between the white working classes and other ethnic groups is a legacy of the relatively brief but recent grammar school experiment which largely applied to the post war largely white population.
Randy Winkman said:
I'm no expert but I like that they have picked out apprenticeships and the need to look ahead and have education that leads to career opportunities. Perhaps even more important now that AI is clearly an issue.
There is no end of irony in that Labour pretty much abolished trade training and turned the technical colleges into universities tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
You have to ask why though ? How have proud hardworking people with real community and family values changed so much in so short a time frame
That has to be due to external influences particularly since the 1960's
We had the slum clearances that destroyed traditional communities built over many years and the dispersal of the people to remote estates with no community and no facilities
Tie that in with the loss of traditional industries and employment and the complete failure of successive governments to retrain and equip people for a changing world be it in education or work environments
The answer from Government was to compound the above by creating a welfare dependency with very little opportunity to escape from it, which has now become multi generational and almost inescapable
Successive Govs of all flavours have failed and abandoned the working class in the regions
tangerine_sedge said:
swisstoni said:
You could say similarly disparaging things about other communities but you would be descended on from a great height.
Being a white working class male from a northern council estate benefiting from a 'comprehensive' education I feel that I have some experience on this particular subject. Of my peer group that I'm still aware of (who aren't in prison or died from drugs), there's a direct correlation between those with feckless parents and those who have become feckless parents.Earthdweller said:
You have to ask why though ?
How have proud hardworking people with real community and family values changed so much in so short a time frame
People had self respect and relied on family and close friends. Increases in benefits means that you don’t need to rely on family any more, the State will provide.How have proud hardworking people with real community and family values changed so much in so short a time frame
tangerine_sedge said:
there's a direct correlation between those with feckless parents and those who have become feckless parents.
...and Labour thinks those people vote Labour so they scrap the two child cap to encourage them to breed even more. They're ethusistocally making benefits more appealing than work to create Labour voters. But the side effect is it destroys the UK economy and the UK in general.Earthdweller said:
tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
You have to ask why though ? How have proud hardworking people with real community and family values changed so much in so short a time frame
That has to be due to external influences particularly since the 1960's
We had the slum clearances that destroyed traditional communities built over many years and the dispersal of the people to remote estates with no community and no facilities
Tie that in with the loss of traditional industries and employment and the complete failure of successive governments to retrain and equip people for a changing world be it in education or work environments
The answer from Government was to compound the above by creating a welfare dependency with very little opportunity to escape from it, which has now become multi generational and almost inescapable
Successive Govs of all flavours have failed and abandoned the working class in the regions
tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
Nailed it. Why work when you can get more on benefits.Armitage.Shanks said:
tangerine_sedge said:
This problem will never be solved until it's accepted that many white working class parents simply don't value education, and consider spending all day sitting on the couch, smoking fags/drinking beer and posting illiterate nonsense on facebook a career choice.
Nailed it. Why work when you can get more on benefits.My wife is a primary teacher.
She has travellers kids who literally see no point in school. The girls are brought up to be home makers, and the lads go out with their dad from 14 to earn some coin.
A generalisation? Maybe, but over time enough samples start to represents a population.
So there is a definite cohort who don't have send or esl issues (whole different topic) but just no consequences at home, parents too lazy or unknowing to parent properly, and so they bring that attitude to school.
I'm firmly middle class, and was reading and writing before I went to school.
And in turn my kids could read and understood basic maths, a clock etc before they were in primary school.
Pushy? Maybe but why wouldn't you?
Simply, it's a cycle, that is hard to break out of.
My great grandmother broke my particular family line out of it, and went from a maid married to a quarry worker c1900s to her grand kids being phd academics, doctors, architects, charted accountants and software engineers.
Of course, the 50s and 60s boom and free education and grammer schools helped massively, but there was a huge societal push to better yourself and she was by all accounts incredibly focused on her family doing better.
That seems to be entirely missing now. If I think about it, differences could be:
- the low achievers can read, access society etc so they're not marginalised like the poor of old.
- the work hosue ("the big house") was a threat my gran talked about. You worked damn hard, or you went in and worked harder.
- yet nowadays, society bends over to cushion those who don't want to work (I'm ignoring those who can't- its a seperate issue, albeit hard sometimes to weed out)
- the drive seems to have gone and it's more about what i am entitled to from society, rather than what can I contribute? It was easier when the country was wealthier though.
This statistics shows correlation between fsm and low achievement- so why not just get rid of fsm?
So I would like to see this inquiry get under the bonnet of why there's low achievement, rather than just use it as a hobby horse to grow state spending.
She has travellers kids who literally see no point in school. The girls are brought up to be home makers, and the lads go out with their dad from 14 to earn some coin.
A generalisation? Maybe, but over time enough samples start to represents a population.
So there is a definite cohort who don't have send or esl issues (whole different topic) but just no consequences at home, parents too lazy or unknowing to parent properly, and so they bring that attitude to school.
I'm firmly middle class, and was reading and writing before I went to school.
And in turn my kids could read and understood basic maths, a clock etc before they were in primary school.
Pushy? Maybe but why wouldn't you?
Simply, it's a cycle, that is hard to break out of.
My great grandmother broke my particular family line out of it, and went from a maid married to a quarry worker c1900s to her grand kids being phd academics, doctors, architects, charted accountants and software engineers.
Of course, the 50s and 60s boom and free education and grammer schools helped massively, but there was a huge societal push to better yourself and she was by all accounts incredibly focused on her family doing better.
That seems to be entirely missing now. If I think about it, differences could be:
- the low achievers can read, access society etc so they're not marginalised like the poor of old.
- the work hosue ("the big house") was a threat my gran talked about. You worked damn hard, or you went in and worked harder.
- yet nowadays, society bends over to cushion those who don't want to work (I'm ignoring those who can't- its a seperate issue, albeit hard sometimes to weed out)
- the drive seems to have gone and it's more about what i am entitled to from society, rather than what can I contribute? It was easier when the country was wealthier though.
This statistics shows correlation between fsm and low achievement- so why not just get rid of fsm?
Key findings from the report said:
48% of white working class children reach a good level of development by age five, compared with 75% of white British children not on free school meals.
obviously it's causation they need to focus on, not just correlation. So I would like to see this inquiry get under the bonnet of why there's low achievement, rather than just use it as a hobby horse to grow state spending.
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